Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Never seen him in a CQC fight so I can't say. All I'm saying is that speed is not the only thing that can make someone a "specialist". You can suck at dodging and still be a CQC specialists.
I see where you are coming from, but I don't think that you can suck at dodging and still be a specialist. You would be dead, unless you were invincible.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
I see where you are coming from, but I don't think that you can suck at dodging and still be a specialist. You would be dead, unless you were invincible.
Hulk sucks at dodging and he isn't invincible and he's great at CQC.
If immense strength is your best asset then you're pretty much a beast at CQC. Hulk.
If durability is your thing then your strength lies in CQC. Juggernaut
If speed is your thing then you're pretty much good at CQC. Flash
If you're a master of h2h fighting then you're a beast in CQC. Wolverine, Captain America.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Hulk sucks at dodging and he isn't invincible and he's great at CQC.
There is one fatal flaw in this line of thought; it only can apply if the opponent of the Hulk is weaker than he is. If his opponent is much stronger than him, he is now terrible at CQC because all he is doing is getting destroyed.
Therefore, dodging is an important part of CQC and can level the playing field when the opponent has a strength/defense/speed advantage.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
There is one fatal flaw in this line of thought; it only can apply if the opponent of the Hulk is weaker than he is. If his opponent is much stronger than him, he is now terrible at CQC because all he is doing is getting destroyed.Therefore, dodging is an important part of CQC and can level the playing field when the opponent has a strength/defense/speed advantage.
You do know that Hulk tends to get stronger as the fight goes on right? When he gets hit he eats through most punches and keeps going and fighting back. Thor and Juggernaut are both stronger than him in his base form.
Punisher's damage soak and h2h abilities makes him a beast in CQC as well, he's not some artful dodger, he tends to roll with punches and beats people stronger than them although he can dodge people when needed.
I never said dodging wasn't important, I just said that it's not the only thing or the most crucial thing you need to have.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
That's all fine and dandy, but it's beside the point.All I'm saying is this: Without dodging ability, all you can do is defend. Defending means taking hits, and that means damage and fatigue.
Or you could punch instead of defending. You don't need to defend to win all fights. Some fights can be won on strength alone. Sometimes fights can be won on durability alone.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Or you could punch instead of defending. You don't need to defend to win all fights. Some fights can be won on strength alone. Sometimes fights can be won on durability alone.
If you try that, you had better be stronger than your opponent, otherwise you will be overwhelmed.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Which links to his rock/steel-like hide. Something of his size, weight and mostly build would have to have a very good reason to be a great dodger.
Namely, a pokedex quote on CQC. And thus, we have made a full circle back to the beginning of the CQC discussion. Let's move on, shall we, fellas?
Oh I remembered that. What was it again, poor accuracy thats not only a gameplay mechanic as its been shown in the anime to be one of the easiest moves to evade and on the one time it made contact didnt even KO anyone which shows that the 'one-hit KO' this is a gameplay mechanic... *cough* think that covers that? Hope that one move wasnt holding your defence together.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Tyranitar also has fissure, which again nulls Nidoking right back where we started, whi is the more physically able to perform the technique with greater capability?personally, Nido is faster, but Ty is by far the stronger of the two.
Tyranitar cannot learn Fissure by any means. 😬
@ Rain: Weak old Sandshrew used it. It made a gigantic crevasse in the earth. Something like that might be able to, I don't know, crumble a mouintain? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
It's part of that overestimation of the speed, Wei.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Speed does not equate to dodging ability. It has more to do with reflexes and reaction timing. People who are slower than someone can still dodge and block. You have to prove that Nido is as skillful of a dodger as you say.
arent reflexes & reaction time necessary if u wanna dodge in the first place?😬 nido has that & speed, so yea he can dodge ty's hits easy enough. ty on the other hand may hav the reaction time, but he's so heavy, he wont b able 2 dodge & i doubt he could counter b4 he's been gored by nido's horn.