"peak humans" "enhanced humans" "low superhumans" Any difference?
Is there really a difference? Is there? Im pretty sure that any popular peak human is capable of the same strength, speed feats as say enhanced human. So do these titles really make a difference for vs fights? I mean when both combatants are skilled fighters.
There can be a difference... but not always. Sometimes someone has an enhancement that doesn't put them on the level of so-called 'peak humans', sometimes they have more. Peak humans is the most specific of the terms, and really in comics it just means "superhuman across the board but not particularly blatant about it". Low superhuman generally refers to more superhuman than that.
They're all just buzzwords to help define a certain range. They're guides, not exact gauges. Many other similar ones exist as well.
Don't take them too seriously, because there's no exact definitions for them. They just help create a shared vocabulary with which we can discuss comics, much like meta, herald, skyfather, superhuman, etc. etc.
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Originally posted by roughrider
Peak Human = Batman, Captain America
Nope both Brubaker and Busiek have stated that Cap is superior to Batman and Batman also stated in a crossover that Cap was superior to him.
I also think really that they are the same but I would give a superhuman street leveler a slight edge over a peak human statwise. Enhanced seems to sometimes be used as substitute for peak human.
Originally posted by Deadline
Nope both Brubaker and Busiek have stated that Cap is superior to Batman and Batman also stated in a crossover that Cap was superior to him.I also think really that they are the same but I would give a superhuman street leveler a slight edge over a peak human statwise. Enhanced seems to sometimes be used as substitute for peak human.
No, peak human refers only to physical capability, not fighting skills. Batman just acknowledged in that crossover, that Cap's fighting skills seem to exceed even his, which is why he could see Cap defeating him.
I may thing Killer Croc is a Low Superhuman, and Bane is an Enhanced Human, but that doesn't mean I think they could beat Batman h2h.
Originally posted by SamZED
Didn't Batman say thet he's never been so EVENLY matched before? Or was it Cap.. Either way they stalemated in h2h.
In DC vs Marvel it was voted on by fans, there was no clear cut winner with Batman and Cap (Batman hit him over the head but their fight was interrupted). In JLA/Avengers they traded a few blows and feints which they evenly blocked and parried. Batman admitted that Cap could take him but it would take a few days before he did.
Cap is augmented through the S.S.S so I'd give him a slight edge, but it's so close, it's not really worth trying to separate the two IMO.
Originally posted by roughrider
No, peak human refers only to physical capability, not fighting skills. Batman just acknowledged in that crossover, that Cap's fighting skills seem to exceed even his, which is why he could see Cap defeating him.I may thing Killer Croc is a Low Superhuman, and Bane is an Enhanced Human, but that doesn't mean I think they could beat Batman h2h.
The reason why Caps more skillful than Batman is the SSS. Brubaker stated that the reason why Cap is superior ia because hes enhanced (and trains), while Batman just trains a lot.
Originally posted by Deadline
The reason why Caps more skillful than Batman is the SSS. Brubaker stated that the reason why Cap is superior ia because hes enhanced (and trains), while Batman just trains a lot.
It's also been clearly stated, repeatedly on his bios, that Steve Rogers is not superhuman. He is just at the pinnacle of what a human being can reach physically, for strength, agility and speed. Yes it's due to the SS formula, which has never worked perfectly for anyone else since. But someone could achieve Cap's level if they worked at it for decades, like Batman. He's just tiny percentage points lower than Steve, is all.
Originally posted by roughrider
It's also been clearly stated, repeatedly on his bios, that Steve Rogers is not superhuman. He is just at the pinnacle of what a human being can reach physically, for strength, agility and speed.
I didn't say he was superhuman I said he was superior to Batman. His bios also say he can't lift more than 800lbs and doesn't have superhuman stamina when hes blantantly shown it.
Originally posted by roughrider
Yes it's due to the SS formula, which has never worked perfectly for anyone else since. But someone could achieve Cap's level if they worked at it for decades, like Batman. He's just tiny percentage points lower than Steve, is all.
Brubaker blantantly implied Caps more than a tiny percentage superior to Batman. Busiek also seemed to do the same. Also in another fight Batman mentions his superiority but described it as slight (he did state almost but thats most likely because fans will get pissed if he didn't)...thats more than a tiny percentage.
I'm not going by strength so much as overall stats:
Batman- Peak
Cassandra Cain- Upper Edge of Peak (doing things in tandem that defy the capabilities of any normal human but aren't by themselves indicative of being superhuman)
Captain America- Enhanced (mostly due to his stamina most of his stats are peak)
Bane with Venom- Upper Edge of Enhanced (mostly strength and damage soak, the rest of his stats are either peak or olympic)
Deathstroke- Low Superhuman (10X human senses, strength, speed, healing factor)
Captain America does have a slight edge over Batman; I'm not arguing that. A side effect of the SS formula seems to be how he can go much longer without falling into fatigue, and how the formula neutralizes toxins like alcohol soon as they enter his body - plus the unconfirmed idea that it's made Steve immune from aging.
