Originally posted by roughrider
Captain America does have a slight edge over Batman; I'm not arguing that. A side effect of the SS formula seems to be how he can go much longer without falling into fatigue, and how the formula neutralizes toxins like alcohol soon as they enter his body - plus the unconfirmed idea that it's made Steve immune from aging.
categorizations like thse are usually all over the place, but cap is far superior to bruce in all physical aspects. i might give bats the slight nod in the MArtial Arts dept. but ive never seen him jump out of planes and helicopters without a parachute and leave shoe print sized craters in the ground, nor have i seen him throw a shield that split a delivery truck in half from enigine to rear door.
i understand peak human to be as far as one can go without additional help/enhancements/healing factor i.e. gambit, bullseye, dardevil, elektra, bats, shiva, bronze tiger.etc.. everybody above them imo would fall into enhanced.
imo:
Olympic: a trained athlete who only peaks in one or two aspects but not all across the board for example some olympics are peak strength like punisher and damage soak but only have the olympic human reaction, agility or speed..
Peak: across the board evenly distributed capabilities at the height of current human physiology for their height and weight. strength, speed, damage soak... Cassie is a special case as she operates at full peak in all aspects in conjunction with her other attributes which make her appear slight superhuman alongside Cap but she is simply the pinnacle of current human peak as was once considered for Cap.
Cap falls more along the lines of enhanced humans as in not only is he always operating at peak all across the board at a baseline but he has a few added effects to go along with his strength, speed, durability and mental processes. once the adrenaline starts flowing he exceeds any and all current physical human limitations he is the next rung on the human evolutionary latter something humanity has not yet reach.. something bats no matter how long he trains could not hope to become.
that is reserved for the likes of Slade and a few enhanced beings.
then you have the low metas or slight superhuman who obviously surpasses any and most enhanced human limitation as if it was an every day thing and as stressful as picking up a beer from the fridge but i wont say names of ppl who belong here it would simply piss ppl off..
but we all know the two most famous guys who belongs in this list...
Originally posted by manjaro
categorizations like thse are usually all over the place, but cap is far superior to bruce in all physical aspects. i might give bats the slight nod in the MArtial Arts dept. but ive never seen him jump out of planes and helicopters without a parachute and leave shoe print sized craters in the ground, nor have i seen him throw a shield that split a delivery truck in half from enigine to rear door.
Nah Cap is just slightly superior.
i dont know if some of you guys are just being sarcastic or ur just insane. the only cap level feat ive seen Bats do is way back in the day after bane broke his back and he was getting training from shiva...he kicked over a huge tree in his backyard by pinpointing its weak point. but cap routinely leaps laterally across buildings too far apart even for athletes and destroy whole aircrafts traveling at high speeds by throwing his shield at them...from back in the WW2 days with logan to that tribute to Sept. 11 issue he has shown that he never needed a parachute, no matter how high up
Originally posted by manjaro
i dont know if some of you guys are just being sarcastic or ur just insane. the only cap level feat ive seen Bats do is way back in the day after bane broke his back and he was getting training from shiva...he kicked over a huge tree in his backyard by pinpointing its weak point. but cap routinely leaps laterally across buildings too far apart even for athletes and destroy whole aircrafts traveling at high speeds by throwing his shield at them...from back in the WW2 days with logan to that tribute to Sept. 11 issue he has shown that he never needed a parachute, no matter how high up
To be fair I did bring this up in a discussion. A lot of Batmans feats are really not that impressive he does spend alot of times fighting goons, while Cap tends to fight superhumans. However Batman does have feats that are more impressive.
Originally posted by Q99
Seeing how Superman matches up against other Kryptonians/Daxamites/etc. he fights, one wonders if he's near or at 'Peak Kryptonian'.
hands down superman can beat up obese/anorexic daxam/krytonian
he woudl be enhanced as he's descendant of rao and he is the main kryptonian
the strength of others of the resepctive race would be normal/athlete depending on thier age/size/physique
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
to be fare i could see pun getting a few cheap shots b4 bats tears him apart with nerve blows.. punch for punch damage soak pun can go the distance he is just stubborn that way. but if bats uses a bat kick its over pun gets broken rips and bat cuffed
Originally posted by batdude123
Lolwut?
What I mean is Caps feats in general are better, but Bats has other feats that are comparable and even superior but not overall.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
This is the same guy who thinks Punisher could take Batman in h/h.
Not for majority. Batman wins 8/10 and actually know what im talking about concerning Punisher you don't. I've also read a shit load of Cap and Batman as well.
Batdude also thinks that Batman would beat DS in h2h despite the fact that all there fights indicate that DS is superior to Batman.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If they fought in a boxing match Punisher might take a few wins but in a no holds barred MA-type fight or a street brawl Bats' superior stats and skill will win every time.
Except if you actaually boethered ro read Punisher instead of making shit up you would know that Punsiher has held his own against opponents that could beat batman in h2h. Read some Punisher comics for Chrisssake.
Daredevil, Batman, Casandra Cain, Shiva, Taskmaster =Peak
Wolverine, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi = Enhanced
Super would be anything above the enhanced catagory.
Ironfist in firmly in the Lower-Super catagoy. As is 'on-paper' Deathstroke. Also Midnighter would fit in the top end of 'low-superhuman' also Sabretooth Prime.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm not sure where that myth sprung up from. Cap is certifiably better in terms of stamina, that's not up for debate but everything else is pretty damn close, and IMO Batman is more skilled than Cap is in h/h.
Wrong. Cap is physically superior to Batman. Hell his strength feats are even better then Slade.
Second Batman is peak more like a man in his prime. Cap is the ultimate maximum human level. The guys went to like 5 bars and metabolism even kept up with Logan in drinking and wasn't even drunk.(I imagine Logan would have won in the end though)
Down to even Cap's eye sight and hearing is enhanced. Cap has been stated to be "the next step in human evolution".
And you think Batman is this???? Hell no.