"peak humans" "enhanced humans" "low superhumans" Any difference?

Originally posted by Deadline

Except if you actaually boethered ro read Punisher instead of making shit up you would know that Punsiher has held his own against opponents that could beat batman in h2h. Read some Punisher comics for Chrisssake.

You wank Punisher like crazy, make him seem like the Ultimate streetleveler and say things like DR Punisher could take Azrael in h/h. :/

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If you're referring to Daredevil that's PIS. Matt should stomp Frank in h/h, they just make them seem like near equals because that makes for a more interesting story.

Stating that something is PIS because you don't like it is crap argument. It just means your too arrogant to admit you're wrong.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

You wank Punisher like crazy, make him seem like the Ultimate streetleveler and say things like DR Punisher could take Azrael in h/h. :/

Nope I actually read the comics, you don't. Actually thats not what I said but its certainly possible. Huntress didn't do too badly and I would give Frank the majority over her. Can't see him winning if uses the flaming sword.

Originally posted by Deadline
Stating that something is PIS because you don't like it is crap argument.

That's a crap argument.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So then you think Frank is Daredevil's equal in h/h? 😬

That's a crap argument.

Not what I said. 🙁

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Down to even Cap's eye sight and hearing is enhanced. Cap has been stated to be "the next step in human evolution".

And you think Batman is this???? Hell no.

Peak: Batman, Captain America, Elektra, etc.

Enhanced/Low Superhuman: Deathstroke, Wolverine, Azrael, etc.

To me, these things are pretty self-explanatory. It only becomes hard to determine when certain people conclude that their favorite characters are ranked higher due to figurative dialogue in their feats or feats they themselves deem to put them higher than they are officially classified. Fact is, they're classified that way in Handbooks, stat-sheets, etc by the people who actually are involved in making their comics for a reason, but try telling them that.

Um Cap is enhanced.

Originally posted by Deadline
Um Cap is enhanced.

it down right foolishness if you ask me.

Originally posted by roughrider
Peak Human = Batman, Captain America

Enhanced Human = Deadpool, Wolverine

Low Superhuman = (Early) Luke Cage, Killer Croc

There are differences. It's rungs on a ladder.

Cap and Bat's peak human are a major difference.

Cap peak is defined as the next step in human evolution. The peak of human potential as cited in the books.

Bat's peak is more akin to a man at his peak of there human prime. DC Batman fans would like the idea of Bat's peak the same as Cap's SSS maximum human potential peak. But they are vastly different and to believe there the same is plain ignorance.

Cap has been coined strength of 10 or strength of half a platoon. His strength has even been called preternatural strength.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap and Bat's peak human are a major difference.

Cap peak is defined as the next step in human evolution. The peak of human potential as cited in the books.

Bat's peak is more akin to a man at his peak of there human prime. DC Batman fans would like the idea of Bat's peak the same as Cap's SSS maximum human potential peak. But they are vastly different and to believe there the same is plain ignorance.

Cap has been coined strength of 10 or strength of half a platoon. His strength has even been called preternatural strength.

I really need to find that 1993 trading card that said Cap could lift 1 ton and had enhanced strength.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap and Bat's peak human are a major difference.

Cap peak is defined as the next step in human evolution. The peak of human potential as cited in the books.

Bat's peak is more akin to a man at his peak of there human prime. DC Batman fans would like the idea of Bat's peak the same as Cap's SSS maximum human potential peak. But they are vastly different and to believe there the same is plain ignorance.

Cap has been coined strength of 10 or strength of half a platoon. His strength has even been called preternatural strength.

Is Cap stronger? Probably. But is his strength advantage something that's great enough to be a deciding factor in a hypothetical fight? Not really.

Probably?..............LOL

All the fictional humans like Batman, Daredevil, Shang, even the lower tier Punisher are beyond the capability of RL "humans" from even Robin.........LOL.

This comparison is between Batman and Cap alone. Not RL humans.

Cap's definition of Peak Human is defined in a way that Batman can "never" define.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Probably?..............LOL

All the fictional humans like Batman, Daredevil, Shang, even the lower tier Punisher are beyond the capability of RL "humans" from even Robin.........LOL.

This comparison is between Batman and Cap alone. Not RL humans.

Cap's definition of Peak Human is defined in a way that Batman can "never" define.

Batman ripping open a submerged (and locked) car door is something on enhanced level.

Right now you're sounding like a DBZ fanboy, making a "Cap is uber because he's uber" argument

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What's your point? What feats does Cap really have that are stratospherically above Batman's?

Batman ripping open a submerged (and locked) car door is something on enhanced level.

Right now you're sounding like a DBZ fanboy, making a "Cap is uber because he's uber" argument

Daredevil lifting a limo filled with people including Kingpin is something on a enahnced level.

Daredevil bending jail bars is something of a enhanced level.

Daredevil opening a special vault door that even Spiderman struggled with.......Daredevil struggled with it "more" mind you. Is something on a enhanced level.

And yet Daredevil himself states Cap is much stronger. As you believe Slade is above Bat in stats. I believe the same Cap is above DD in stats.

By your logic some of Bats look equal or the same to Slade feats but we know there not. That's what I'm saying for Cap/Bat comparison they are not.

By that logic I could say DD is strong and Slade probably stronger then Daredevil....... by your logic. Since DD too like Bats has enhanced looking feats.

Originally posted by Deadline

http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060330214926

"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman,[B] he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit.".[/B] [/B]

I never understood why people ranked Deathstroke above Captain America physically. Nothing I've seen from him so far tops what Rogers has done or what's his capable of doing.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never understood why people ranked Deathstroke above Captain America physically. Nothing I've seen from him so far tops what Rogers has done or what's his capable of doing.

I agree. I think the main problem lies is just the fans using hand books and the emphasis on Cap's peak human but not correlating to Cap's definition of Peak Human through his stories of what it really defines, in comparison to Bats. Its much more in depth then that.

And using the basis for that logic based on and defining Slade as a Meta but at the same time not realizing Slade has never been classified as full blown Super human strength 1 ton-2 ton in his own regards but with just statements that could lead into that realm of proximity but at the same applies for other certain characters.

At least one thing is for sure just like Slade stats are greater then Bats. Cap's stats are greater then Daredevil. And both Bats and DD hold some very remarkable feats and close to one another with only looking at them through unclouded eyes.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He only listens to hand books dispite the fact they may completely go against the vast majority of the characters showings of there powers or on pannel stated powers.

it down right foolishness if you ask me.

Down. Right. Foolishness.

edit:

People with affinity for Cap will always claim he is enhanced or low meta, with no reason to other than the aforementioned affinity for the character.

When has Batman's "definition" of "Peak Human" ever even been defined? I've gone back and forth before with Darthgoober(who has access to all cap's feats, apparently), I have like all Cap's strength feats myself, and I know for a fact:

Cap has no discernable superiority in physicality in general feats, and never has. Batman has never once said in any crossover that cap would beat him because of this, either, but from some reason, these beliefs spread like wildfire around any pro-marvel establishment.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never understood why people ranked Deathstroke above Captain America physically. Nothing I've seen from him so far tops what Rogers has done or what's his capable of doing.

The guy jumps off of buildings and lands unharmed, damaging concrete. He's tagged flash like a thousand times.

Slade's senses are increased "a thousand fold", according to himself. He can see the atom for god's sike. He can sense shifts in the earth. He was once mentioned as maybe having faster reflexes than wonder woman. Then there's his healing factor, immortality, and increased brain function, which are all metahuman powers, which classifies him a metahuman. This is not even a grain of what Slade has that puts him over Steve physically.

If you can't find a reason to believe Slade is physically Cap's superior, or why Slade with his actual meta-powers is a meta and Cap is not, you're not looking to hard.

Originally posted by Deadline
I really need to find that 1993 trading card that said Cap could lift 1 ton and had enhanced strength.

I don't even think that would help at this point. Cap strength feats are better then Slade strength lifting feats and yet Batman fanboys or Slade fans sight Cap as Batman peak human.

As if Batman could heal from a bullet to the head, be pronounced dead and then heal up completely and go back in action after 12 minutes.

As if Batman could run a mile in almost a minute.

As if Batman could go to 5-6 bars and hang with Logan in drinking alcohol. Logan even asked Cap to quit talking because his healing and Cap's SSS would kill there buzz.

As if Batman strength has been called in the story books "preternatural" or 10 men, or half a platoon of fighting men.

As if Batman has been said to be like Cap like as the peak of human "potential" or a creation as a Super-Men on file.

We see on paper the difference of Batman and Cap. And it even looks worser then the gap between Bats and Slade. But to be fair I view Cap/Slade as equals and different sides from the same coin.