"peak humans" "enhanced humans" "low superhumans" Any difference?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I don't even think that would help at this point. Cap strength feats are better then Slade strength lifting feats and yet Batman fanboys or Slade fans sight Cap as Batman peak human.

As if Batman could heal from a bullet to the head, be pronounced dead and then heal up completely and go back in action after 12 minutes.

As if Batman could run a mile in almost a minute.

As if Batman could go to 5-6 bars and hang with Logan in drinking alcohol. Logan even asked Cap to quit talking because his healing and Cap's SSS would kill there buzz.

As if Batman strength has been called in the story books "preternatural" or 10 men, or half a platoon of fighting men.

As if Batman has been said to be like Cap like as the peak of human "potential" or a creation as a Super-Men on file.

I believe I sent you like a boatload of Cap strength feats, I know where Cap is strength-wise. I've seen a multitude of Cap feats, I could makwe a Cap respect thread if I wanted to. You guys need to stop with the accusations of being bias and what not once you simply fail to support your own arguments. I know Cap, I know Slade, I know Batman. Cap doesn't have strength feats that put him over Batman, or Slade.

Batman has tanked blows from superhumans that amount up to way more than a bullet to the head.

Batman has tagged the flash, he's fast too, apparently.

I went and found that 10 men stating myself, and it was figurative hyberbole, as I knew it would be. That half a platoon thing I won't even acknowledge until you show me, because I read the entire Invaders series and don't recall.

He has been said to be trained to " the peak of human perfecton" though. not at all similar though, right.lol

It gets annoying to discuss this, because I know these arguements have nothing to do with logic or whether or not you guys can understand the reasoning. It's all personal preference, that's it.

I know you guys are smart enough to understand why Slade, who has superpowers for christ's sake, would be a meta and not Cap. He's immortal, He has a superhuman healing factor and durability, he has superhuman brain power and senses. I don't see how someone can even say with a straight face why they don't understand that. It's mind-boggling.

I also understand that it has nothing to do with any of you guys finding Cap's physcal feats to be actually superior to Batman's in comics. I see it all the time, posters will whine and complain and go on about how Batman does stuff physically and in general that he should not be able to do.It's always PIS this, and Bat-god that, but when it's time to compare feats with Cap, everyone seems to forget those feats and they just say "Cap has the slight advantage".

If you guys wanna take Cap from peak human and stuff him in the low meta category simply because of what he does in comics, then you might wanna think of taking Daredevil and Elektra and Nightwing and any other grade A peak human character, especially Batman, and placing them in that same category. They do the same insane, way beyond human level feats all the time, but because Cap has the SSS and a different definition of the term "peak human", supposedly, he's the only one who deserves to be there? It doesn't add up.

LOL you say you've seen all the Invaders and yet you don't know that Cap has said strength of half a platoon.

Heck your silly PM to me had it on there...LOL(which tells me you didn't compile that yourself.)
Cap one shots a bunch of Nazi soldiers simultaneously and then comments on his having “the strength of half a platoon of fighting men”
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/Invaders_05-03.jpg

Like I said it did happen in Invaders volume 1. I just don't have my comics assessable no more.

You call the 10 men hyperbole but you count someone calling Slade "supposed 20 men" showing you accept one and not the other.

Just shows your hypocrisy. Next your going to say Batman's mind is enhanced like Cap..................LOL.

You don't think Cap healing from a bullet to the head in a mere 12 minutes a power?

Or throwing his shield to reach a ICBM missile?

Or his damage soak from Ironman during Civil war anything and yet of course its not a power.

Cap in the civil war files is called "the maximum human level". Anything he does even if it looks like a power is considered at the potential of human level.

And this is the same potential you think Batman is on, seriously your logic is not applicable here. I think you have shown your bias logic.

I too have seen all your Slade respect thread heck back on my old hard drive with Slade I too had most of his run and didn't see anything compelling that showed him above Cap. Your not the only one that has seen other characters feats/story/abilities.

Okay guys, fine. It's a bottomless pit, these kind of conversations. As long as I disagree, you'll just keep calling me bias, ignoring facts, and whatever.

If you somehow don't know the difference or reason why someone would put slade in the low meta category and not cap, then fine. Even with all those superpowers he has that make him a meta, fine, okay.

If you can say that you've seen the majority or all of Batman's, Slade's, and Cap's feats and noticed that Cap has superior physical feats in general, fine.

Fine, Cap>Batman, and Cap and Slade are equal, even though slade jumps off of freaking buildings, tags the flash, fights wonderwomans, teen titans, JLAers etc singlehandily.....oh, and he has superpowers while cap does not, but yeah, they're equal

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you don't think Batman tagging flash makes him superhuman, or making darkseid bleed, dodging superman's beams?

I don't know how you guys don't get it. Peak humans do things impossible for humans to do all the time, not just Captain america. Everyone, evenn d listers. You're all too busy campaigning for Cap to realize that based on your own twisted logic, every peak human characters who is "overly impressive" should be officially made enhanced or low meta

him beign said to be maybe faster than WW doesn't show him above cap? Him seeing Atom doesn't show him above Cap. Him jumping off a building and landing on his feet doesn't show him above cap? Don't undermine the feats I post in my threads simply to come back with a retort in an arguement.

Anyway I was going to do a comparison of feats between Batman and Cap, to be quite honest with you I just couldn't be arsed. I just don't have the motivation these days to get into long debates which will amount to nothing.

Captain America feats are generally better than Batmans because his oponents tend to be tougher. Cap has a more formidable rogues gallery. I really think this could be proven but I can't be bothered.

Originally posted by namorsubby
The guy jumps off of buildings and lands unharmed, damaging concrete.

That's almost as awesome as this:

1. http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/451/30vf2.jpg
2. http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4737/31eq6.jpg

Almost 😉 Props to Soljer for the scans.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's almost as awesome as this:

1. http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/451/30vf2.jpg
2. http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4737/31eq6.jpg

Almost 😉 Props to Soljer for the scans.

Cap has feats of jumping off buildings as well....to jumping up a building. Slade doing it is not a significant superior feat compared to Cap. I used to have a feat of even DD doing it so by his logic Daredevil is Slade level. Since he's states Batman is Cap level.

To even Cap surviving inside a nuclear reactor core on the inside in vol 3 against Protocide, to shrugging off hits from Ironman during Civil War and a annual as well, to even Namor etc etc.