Bayonetta, Kratos, and Sephiroth vs. Link and Sheik (SSBB)

Originally posted by Nephthys
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Notice how one of them is moving so fast time is as close to stopped as makes no difference and the other is.... moving at a normal speed. 😐 The lasers themselves are not important. Its teh characters who are in the thread.

This should be /thread but sadly Screampaste hates logic.

And facepalm at your unproven claims then: ugh3

And no, here you go again... The lasers are important, because as you can see, they are being dodged. Find me an unproven claim? I'm not even claiming one side wins, yet. To do so without all the info is fallacious.

Don't worry Nephthys, if we don't end up killing each other for our opinions then we're not debating right 😛

Rain looking as if its not moving is in the 5000x slower area, but ill admit that the one vid I saw of it shows rocks falling at up to 0.5cm/sec (this is at most, can easily be less) from 500cm/s for the rocks falling (put it under human fall speed for the sake of it) so things are at lest 1000x slower for her.

Like I said; faster, stronger and has better reactions. A threat with or without slowing time. And she's only the 2nd threat.

Edit: Nephs right Scream, the lasers arnt important as that gives Link good reactions but can do much if he's made that slow.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Don't worry Nephthys, if we don't end up killing each other for our opinions then we're not debating right 😛

Rain looking as if its not moving is in the 5000x slower area, but ill admit that the one vid I saw of it shows rocks falling at up to 0.5cm/sec (this is at most, can easily be less) from 500cm/s for the rocks falling (put it under human fall speed for the sake of it) so things are at lest 1000x slower for her.

Like I said; faster, stronger and has better reactions. A threat with or without slowing time. And she's only the 2nd threat.

How much time is slowed by is inconsistent, and can I see that video?

And here I'm going to facepalm again. mariofacepalm

Unproven, unproven, unproven.

And no, here you go again... The lasers are important, because as you can see, they are being dodged. Find me an unproven claim? I'm not even claiming one side wins, yet. To do so without all the info is fallacious.

Only what we see on the screen is important and thats what we should be making judgements based on, not bias, not preconcieved notions of physics etc, no unrelated tangental thoughts, just that. And what we see on the screen is link ducking a weaving with speed and reflexes well below Bayonettas.

The claims you still havn't proved is that a) Link demonstrates anything iumpressive in that scene and b) that those 'lasers' were legitimately dodged c) those lsers move at speeds comparable to real ones.

Neph posted it. ^

*Sigh* Why didnt you tell me the first time what wasnt unproven?
Movement speed, Bay runs faster then speeding cars. (100+mph)
Reactions, Bay can dodge point blank shots.
Strength, Bay can headbutt a.. what was it.. ah, part of a skyscraper back at the thrower. Punch > Headbutt.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You did not. 😐 You simply claimed one feat is more valid than the other when they're exactly the same feat. Link and sheik are uber, especially given their Brawl feats.

Yes I did. I even listed all the Brawl feats. All you have is one feat to back your ridiculous ideas up and they pale in comparison with anything Team 1 has done. Link and Sheik are uber? 😆 My ass.

Also, a barrier isn't very helpful here, just sayin'. Is a good find though.

It took giant laser cannon powerful enough to wipe out entire cities to penetrate the barrier. Sheik and Link aren't getting through that.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
mariofacepalm Nah. Those feats alone put them heads and shoulders above Sephiroth.

Sephiroth has been hit with fire without any damage, took a stab from the Buster Sword and lived, cuts through steel using one-handed strokes, and handled two bullet-timers at once. From the FF7 videos posted, we know he teleports and makes illusions. He's heads and shoulders above the Brawl cast.

Laser time reactions = freakin' awesome, too. And Sheik being fast enough to teleport so easily onto a moving Arwing? Incredible. Her smashing the windshield with her fingers? Also incredible. Those fingers are d0000m.

Those lasers are slower than bullets. Teleport doesn't equal a character's speed. Plus, the scene was PIS since the Arwing could've easily barrel-roll her off. The fingers are doom? Sephiroth could've sliced that plane easily and Bayonetta knocks away thrown skyscrapers. Cracking a cockpit of a weaker version of an Arwing isn't anything special.

I completely forgot about Sephiroth's illusion. The shield and intangibility I remembered, but that really was a good find. With that, team 1 most certainly wins.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I completely forgot about Sephiroth's illusion. The shield and intangibility I remembered, but that really was a good find. With that, team 1 most certainly wins.

^More reason I need to know which Link I'm using. So, yeah. Good finds, and props to SHM for using the original material, but it's wrong to claim a winner before all facts are apparent.

What kind of teleporting we talking for Link? And even without all of the facts (until our spartan responds gets back to us) its still heavily tipped in 1's favour as the three of us have said above.

Originally posted by BloodRain
What kind of teleporting we talking for Link? And even without all of the facts (until our spartan responds gets back to us) its still heavily tipped in 1's favour as the three of us have said above.

Link has Farore's Wind in OoT, for example. If I get OoT Link's equipment, he has the lens of truth, too. If I get TP Link, he gets Wolf form which would be hilariously bad for everyone on team one. 😛

so, yeah, things.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I disagree. 😐 The barrier is kool, but not particularly useful... both members of team two can teleport, and depending on the version, Link can see thruogh illusions.

^More reason I need to know which Link I'm using. So, yeah. Good finds, and props to SHM for using the original material, but it's wrong to claim a winner before all facts are apparent.

Which version of Link can teleport and see through illusions.

All the facts are apparent for the most part. The only thing in the way is the OP doesn't specify a specific Link or Sheik. Or rather it does but we're allowed to use feats from the original Link and Sheik. This is what we don't know.

Not that it matters. Even if we assume they are all on equal level, it's 3 to 2. Strength in numbers and what not.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Which version of Link can teleport and see through illusions.

All the facts are apparent for the most part. The only thing in the way is the OP doesn't specify a specific Link or Sheik. Or rather it does but we're allowed to use feats from the original Link and Sheik. This is what we don't know.

Not that it matters. Even if we assume they are all on equal level, it's 3 to 2. Strength in numbers and what not.

Bayonetta's cool and all, but the main strength of team one is Kratos.

Edit: If they give me Omni-Link, I'm gonna go ahead and call team Zelda 10/10 times. 131

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
All on an equal level? Sephiroth cannot compete with /anyone/ in this thread. 😬 OoT Link can see through illusions /and/ teleport, /and/ has time powers, /and/ invuln, /and/ infinite magic, /and/ the golden gauntlets, /and/ a laser dodging feat from SSBB... Y'know, for example.

Bayonetta's cool and all, but the main strength of team one is Kratos.

Edit: If they give me Omni-Link, I'm gonna go ahead and call team Zelda 10/10 times. 131

Sephiroth is above Sheik. You know this because you didn't offer anything she can do against him. Which is zip from just her SSBB self.

Not that it matters. Cause I think I've found a laywer's loophole. Hmmm 😗

She teleports to Sephiroth, and ends his life with her fingertips before he can react. 😐 Tadah.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
She teleports to Sephiroth, and ends his life with her [b]fingertips before he can react. 😐 Tadah. [/B]

You /greatly/ underestimate the speed of thought of even an average man.

Sephy can TK her. And put her into an illusion if he wants. And turn her into a frog while he is at it.

Its the quality of the three im going on about, not the numbers.
That spell only goes to set or placed warp points. Lens in dangerous if the fella has to hold it up all the time to negate the illusions. Wha, wolf transformation isnt voluntary >.> and it really wouldnt help.

My post above Sin's ^ is why Bay is a large threat to them. Kratos is already a threat. Seph has illusions, TK and strong spells to throw into the mix. Most of the things/feats team 2 brings to the table team 1 matches or gives a better one.

Edit: Even if she did hit him he's survived impalement before and survived iirc

Omni-Link doesn't/can't exist >_>

Originally posted by BloodRain
Omni-Link doesn't/can't exist >_>

Actually, the Hero's Spirit does exist.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Edit: Even if she did hit him he's survived impalement before and survived iirc

Omni-Link doesn't/can't exist >_>

This comment made me want to make an Omni-Link gauntlet. 🙂

The thing about Shiek's teleporting is that it causes a big burst of smoke when she ports and appears. If she tries to port behind any of the characters that'll let them know where she is. Since they all have better reactions and are faster than her they'll get out of the way. Sephiroth can just go intangible so she passes right through him.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Actually, the Hero's Spirit does exist.

Even Kratos being the slowest would be able to get away from an attack signalled by a puff of smoke.