Bayonetta, Kratos, and Sephiroth vs. Link and Sheik (SSBB)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Link has Farore's Wind in OoT, for example. If I get OoT Link's equipment, he has the lens of truth, too. If I get TP Link, he gets Wolf form which would be hilariously bad for everyone on team one. 😛

so, yeah, things.

Link can only teleport to warp points he has made. I don't see how the wolf form is even an issue especially since its abilities are still below Sephiroth, the weakest member of Team 1.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
She teleports to Sephiroth, and ends his life with her [b]fingertips before he can react. 😐 Tadah. [/B]

Sephiroth can deal with bullet-timers (which Sheik isn't).

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Zack blocks bullets and easily defeats armed soldiers. He also avoids rockets and makes a long jump. It's worth noting that he is just a 2nd Class SOLDIER while Angeal is a 1st Class.

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Sephiroth beats Zack one-handed and was about to stab (which he would survive since this is still a VR-Training simulation) until Angeal came and stopped him. Angeal must be pretty fast to have stopped the action.

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Zack fights some monster and dodges its flail. I'm sure this is a boss fight judging by the flash and a short pause after Zach tries slashing it. Either way, the monster is downed but gets back up and attacks (which Zach survives). It's then put down by Angeal.

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Sephiroth blocks a fire attack from Ifrit and kills him.

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Zack easily defeats two Genesis clones and cuts a grenade in half. Soon after this, Zack is officially a 1st Class SOLDIER.

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Genesis summons Bahamut but Zack defeats it. Bahamut is stronger than Ifrit. Later in the game, he defeats a stronger version of Bahamut.

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Genesis flies so fast that he's gone by the time Zack looks up.

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This fight scene has been posted a lot here. In this scene Seph, Genesis, and Angeal are 2nd Class (this is a flashback). If you have seen the parts mentioned in the above videos, a 2nd Class SOLDIER is a bullet-timer. Sephiroth is able to deal with Genesis and Angeal at once. He even tanks fire magic and cuts through steel very easily (even from a distance).

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Angeal speedblitzs Zack and punches him across a room.

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Angeal creates an energy wave which makes the floor grating collapse. Zack tanks it.

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Genesis blows a hole in a wall with a fireball

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Zack defeats Genesis.

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Zack dodges Buster Sword swings from Angeal

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A group of monsters fuse with Angeal. Zack defeats him. Angeal in his normal form is considered superior to Genesis.

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Although not completely shown, Zack defeats a group of Genesis clones with a beach umbrella.

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A fireball, which knocks over Zack, is stopped by Sephiroth's hand.

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At very beginning of the vid, Zack busts down a vault door with the Buster Sword.

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Despite of everything that Zack has been able to do, he's still no match for Sephiroth. His Masamune can resist the Buster Sword that's strong enough to bust through vault doors.

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Cloud comes up from behind and stabs Sephiroth with the Buster Sword. Seph lives and overpowers Cloud. Cloud somehow survives a stab as well and throws Seph against a wall, leading to a very long fall. Those who played FF7 know Sephiroth survives all this.

There you have it. Crisis Core takes place before FF7 and this before he enters the Lifestream and gets magic without Materia and other abilities. Sephiroth at his weakest (during the flashback when he's a 2nd Class SOLDIER) has more impressive feats than Brawl Sheik and Link combined.

Link>Sephiroth>Sheik. nana_bat

Originally posted by Nephthys
The thing about Shiek's teleporting is that it causes a big burst of smoke when she ports and appears. If she tries to port behind any of the characters that'll let them know where she is. Since they all have better reactions and are faster than her they'll get out of the way. Sephiroth can just go intangible so she passes right through him.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Only means they are linked in spirit much like ancestors and relatives but that doesn't mean they can share feats and equipment.

Even Kratos being the slowest would be able to get away from an attack signalled by a puff of smoke.

As for the thing about farore's wind, the warp points are an obvious mechanic for controlling the teleport. 😬

So you think every Link is the same Link and can use each others feats, items and weapons? Unless you were replying to the Kratos part where the answer is yes, a puff of smoke appearing behind you will tell anyone to move or act.

The warp point are kinda vital to the way it work: You got Farore's Wind! This is warp magic you can use with (C). Warp when you are in danger! You will teleport to the Warp Point. When you first use the magic, you will create a Warp Point. When you use the magic again, you can either dispel the Warp Point you created last time or warp to that point
Link has to have a warp point to warp anywhere. (Am liking the word 'warp' for some reason.)

Good news, Spartan replied back:

Well TP Link was put in brawl, so just go with his feats.

Where did he say that?

Just poked around the thread a little, was it a PM?

Yep PM. Waiting wasn't helping as he hasn't posted here since page 1 lol

Lulz, alright, now we know which Link we are using, and that barrier may actually turn out to be helpful after all. Does it go away if Sephiroth is killed?

Lolwut, they all have better reactions and are faster? No, u. Also, the smoke appears with her, she'd strike before they noticed it.

Err, considering they actually have speed and reaction feats while Sheik has zip, they are better than her in that regard. Literally all she has going for her is teleporting, which Sephiroth can also do, and since he's faster and has better reactions will perform first. And the smoke cloud is massive, bigger than the Arwing. They'll notice her as soon as she appears and react to it. If your opponent disappears in a explosion of smoke and suddenly smoke appears all around you you'd figure out whats happening pretty damn fast.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Err, considering they actually have speed and reaction feats while Sheik has zip, they are better than her in that regard. Literally all she has going for her is teleporting, which Sephiroth can also do, and since he's faster and has better reactions will perform first. And the smoke cloud is massive, bigger than the Arwing. They'll notice her as soon as she appears and react to it. If your opponent disappears in a explosion of smoke and suddenly smoke appears all around you you'd figure out whats happening pretty damn fast.

Sephiroth is a bullet timer, could never have teleported onto a moving Arwing like that. It was practicly raining laser fire. Nor could he have damaged it. 131 Sheik can attack before the smoke spreads, before Sephiroth's even aware she's there. 😐 then she can drink tea without moving her mask. 😕

Assertions...

Nooooo, facts. 1>0, thats just the way math works and the way logic works. Shiek has no feats, therefore she cannot compete with bullet-timers like Bayonetta and Sephiroth in terms of speed and react time.

Sephiroth is a bullet timer, could never have teleported onto a moving Arwing like that.

Assertion.

It was practicly raining laser fire. Nor could he have damaged it.

Assertion. Lol, post proof please.

Sheik can attack before the smoke spreads, before Sephiroth's even aware she's there. :no expression:

Again, that is an assertion. We don't even know how long it takes for her to materialise, it could be just as the smoke clears. Its not instantaneous, or why would she just stand there while Fox could have barrelrolled her off at any moment? Sephiroth has faster reactions than her, he will react after her appearance before she does.

True, Sheik has no speed feats.

What has team 2 got over team 1?

Its not instantaneous, or why would she just stand there while Fox could have barrelrolled her off at any moment?

Everything above this is lulz, but insubstantial. If you watch the scene, Fox has his OSHIT face on, and couldn't have barrel rolled, his hands weren't even on the freakin' controls. 😛

Also, neat, now you've invented slow teleportation. What next?

Originally posted by BloodRain
True, Sheik has no speed feats.

What has team 2 got over team 1?

The only character who can keep up with Link's reaction time here is Bayonetta under witch time, and even then, alone? Not a good set up for her. IDEAALLY, she'll set Link up to take a hit from Kratos, if possible.

If they pull that off, team one wins. If Link and Sheik get their way:

Step 1, axe Sephiroth out of teleport, step 2, tag team Bayonetta while dancing around Kratos, team two wins.

Bayonetta could stay close to Kratos, but he's the slowest one here, and it'd hold her back. Also, Sheik can stay close to Link after getting rid of Sephiroth, and the two of them are a /very/ deadly combo. If either one lands a hit on someone, they're feeling it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Quite a bit.

The only character who can keep up with Link's reaction time here is Bayonetta under witch time, and even then, alone? Not a good set up for her. IDEAALLY, she'll set Link up to take a hit from Kratos, if possible.

If they pull that off, team one wins. If Link and Sheik get their way:

Step 1, axe Sephiroth out of teleport, step 2, tag team Bayonetta while dancing around Kratos, team two wins.

Bayonetta could stay close to Kratos, but he's the slowest one here, and it'd hold her back. Also, Sheik can stay close to Link after getting rid of Sephiroth, and the two of them are a /very/ deadly combo. If either one lands a hit on someone, they're feeling it.

Bay without witch time has better reactions the Link, Seph fights bullet timers constantly. (Bay dodging several bullets at point blank and because of the enemies time powers she couldn't of reacted earlier making it a greater feat.)(Unless you're still on the notion that Link can dodge real life lasers even if it was settled on page 30ish.)

Underestimating Sephiroth here. Now that we've seen the fire move from Genesis (that alone would hurt them) we can gauge Sephiroth's magic who was stronger then and is much stronger now. Sheik cant take anyone here down without luck, p/cis or a doomsday laser <.< Her feats just arnt good enough.

The three are too skilled to be killed by the two.

Bay without witch time has better reactions the Link,

Seph fights bullet timers constantly.

Underestimating Sephiroth here. Now that we've seen the fire move from Genesis (that alone would hurt them)

The three are too skilled to be killed by the two.

Lasers were settled on page 30ish.

Took several of them and can dish out much stronger attacks that that. Sheiks fingers mean nothing, that feat doesn't give her an edge.

No they dont. Each of them have had a lifetime of training and experience, in game and out they show more skill. Small advantage to the larger numbers advantage.

Can you prove these lazers are real life lazers? Because they could be just like Xemnas's.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lulz, alright, now we know which Link we are using, and that barrier may actually turn out to be helpful after all. Does it go away if Sephiroth is killed?

The Barrier is destroyed when the Sister Ray Cannon (which can level a whole city) destroys it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
then she can drink tea without moving her mask. 😕

TOONFORCE! Or I missed a joke 🙁

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not until she has a better feat than dodging a laser. 😬

Neat, meet laser timer Link. Lol'd. that firaga was /pathetic/. 😐 It's not a very good feat, sure, Seph can handle some fire. He cannot handle Sheik's fingers.

Except team two has the skill edge, and the advantage of having worked together before.

Those are slow lasers. If you want fast lasers, check Falco or Fox.

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How hard exactly was that airship window thingy?

^
^ Now those are ****ing lasers. Notice how they're completely different from the ones Link aimdodges.

^ Featlessly hard.

Hey, wanna know why they look different? 'cause nobody has to dodge them. It looks bad when Link and Mario are running down a road randomly dodging nothing.