Originally posted by BloodRain
This has been settled. Scroll down to my post, dont want to waste space posting again. ''In summery: Unless there is a way to prove that they were at the speeds of a real life laser, or a way to prove that its faster of slower then a bullet it will have to be left at bullet speed.''Without that its the same as bullet time.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
mariofacepalmVisible = visible, so players can see. Nothing more.
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That does not mean jackshit to do with its speed.
Lol, so why did you give me shit about Ultimecia's supposed bullet feat?
What shit? The scene is clearly not happening in real time becuase of the obvious move in perspective to the bullet. Instead of the objective viewpoint in the laser scene occuring in real-time, that scene occurs in a stylised, semi-realistic perspecive, meaning real-time is out of the window. When the shot pans to Ultimecia real-time comes back into play and teh bullet moves too fast for sight.
Plus that is a completely different argument and is in no way related to this at all. Don't dodge the point. 😐
You also appear to have talked yourself into a circle. My interpretations of the creator's intentions don't mean anything. But intention doesn't work as a reason, either. So what the **** are we supposed to think?
Your interpretation means nothing becuase you are completely talking out of your ass. You have no idea what the creators intentions are. Furthermore, teh intentions themselves mean nothing becuase they do not change what occurs on the screen. Only that, what we can actually see and measure, matters. Your opinion has no objective worth.
Originally posted by BloodRainMany agreeing isn't a requirement. Know how many people liked Hitler before they realised he was a total douchebag? Most of them. 131
Still havent given an answer to something many agree to.
Know how many were wrong? all of them. Seriously. D00d was an *******. Anyway: The point of that semi-strawman is: agreement doesn't matter, perception =/= reality, and I've got my feet planted firmly on the logical highground. 😛
Originally posted by BloodRainThey thought he was a kool gai, they wuz wrong. That was an intentionally way out there straw man, did not expect a reply. 😐
Liking a person doesnt make them wrong :/ believing he was right makes them wrong. Not the point, many agree and now its been several pages waiting on that answer.
Anyway: People agreeing doesn't matter. Facts do. Agreeing with facts or disagree with them doesn't change them.
You never adequately answered why they would change lasers.
I know, but I gave one.
Why they change lasers; dont work, function, are used or resemble real lasers. And that we dont have real laser guns fiction got an open path to do whatever they like with them. Wiki page on the past post.
Facts that they move at real laser speed: ''They are lasers'' Yeah, not a fact.
Originally posted by BloodRainYou got all that out of "visible"? Nice trick. 😐 No.
I know, but I gave one.Why they change lasers; dont work, function, are used or resemble real lasers. And that we dont have real laser guns fiction got an open path to do whatever they like with them. Wiki page on the past post.
Facts that they move at real laser speed: ''They are lasers'' Yeah, not a fact.
Fact: They're lasers.
^All ye need to know. You're seriously gonna try and drag this down nihilism lane?
Originally posted by Nephthys
What shit? The scene is clearly not happening in real time becuase of the obvious move in perspective to the bullet. Instead of the objective viewpoint in the laser scene occuring in real-time, that scene occurs in a stylised, semi-realistic perspecive, meaning real-time is out of the window. When the shot pans to Ultimecia real-time comes back into play and teh bullet moves too fast for sight.Plus that is a completely different argument and is in no way related to this at all. Don't dodge the point. 😐
Hmm...
Originally posted by Nephthys
Visual=Slow(er than bullets). That is the rule when we use our eyes to determine speed.
GASP!
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your interpretation means nothing becuase you are completely talking out of your ass. You have [b]no idea what the creators intentions are. Furthermore, teh intentions themselves mean nothing becuase they do not change what occurs on the screen. Only that, what we can actually see and measure, matters. Your opinion has no objective worth. [/B]
This would be true, unless all of the shit in the scene points to one logical conclusion of the creator's intent. This is not something that the Ultimecia scene has, but the Midna scene does. Think about them and compare, you'll see the difference.
See, there you go again. You're trying to argue two points that simply don't work together.
We have to use what we can see and measure for these lasers, but you can't see Falco's lasers, and are saying they are faster than the Ancient Minister's. So what are you using to say this?
@Screampaste
Fact: They're lasers.
Why? Why do you think they are lasers? What evidence is there of that?
@Moo
Hmm...GASP!
Ugh, fine, nitpick all you want. I meant when we can see them from an objective, real-time perspective, as fast as the human eye. The 'laser' scene is in that perspective, as is the Falco scene. The Sniper scene is not. Think of it like bullet-time or witch-time. You wouldn't judge speeds in those perspectives the same you would in real-time now would you?
This would be true, unless all of the shit in the scene points to one logical conclusion of the creator's intent. This is not something that the Ultimecia scene has, but the Midna scene does. Think about them and compare, you'll see the difference.
See, there you go again. You're trying to argue two points that simply don't work together.
We have to use what we can see and measure for these lasers, but you can't see Falco's lasers, and are saying they are faster than the Ancient Minister's. So what are you using to say this?
You have no idea what the intentions of the scene are and without the creators words you never will, so drop the point.
The two points are completely unrelated and I'm not re-starting the Ultimecia argument, so drop it please.
Thats the point. Falco's lasers are too fast for humans to measure, the Anchient Ministers are not. A is faster than B, QED.
Originally posted by Heythere,Honey
How hard exactly was that airship window thingy?
About as hard as a fighter jet cockpit especially since a monkey can pop the thing off.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Hey, wanna know why they look different? 'cause nobody has to dodge them. It looks bad when Link and Mario are running down a road randomly dodging nothing.
YouTube video
1:47
Nobody is dodging these slow ass lasers.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
INDEED. When the bullet in FF is slow, it's still a bullet, so it moves at bullet speed. When a laser in SSBB is visible, it's slow?DOUBLE STANDARD! D:
There's clearly different speeds of lasers in Brawl. They're all not the same speed.