this is an unanticipated turn of events. mmm
i had assumed that the major amounts of asskissing people bestow upon anoon was for a reason, like, because he actually did something cool, not because theres a single out of universe statement saying he is.
i guess not though. he really is nothing more than a walking plot divice who's only reason for existing was to die to make maul look good. 🙁
Originally posted by john allerdyce
Despite what the Essential Guide says, if Qui-Gon and Mace were truly equals in saber to saber combat, then that would make Maul > Mace, by proxy (which is utter nonsense.)
Dnt just make conclusions like that.
The essential guide says they would usually draw in lightsaber sparring sessions.
In an all out fight Mace may still have destroyed Qui-Gon either with the Force, or just fighting until Qui-gon got tired as Mace would have had a better stamina, and we dnt know how long their "sparring" sessions were. And as someone else has already pointed out this was TPM Mace 13 years pre ROTS and probably hadnt fully developed Vapaad yet.
But my point which you seem to have missed was that Qui-Gon was a formidable Jedi. And we have clearly seen GG can not hold his own against any of the formidable Jedis like Kit Fisto and Agen Kolar.
Originally posted by john allerdyce
Aside from that, I have a really hard time believing that an alleged 'Mace level duelist' (Maul) could be WTF owned by a Padawan momentarily tapping the dark side (Obi.)
First of all the padawan was ready for the trials and was knighted in the same movie, so stop referring to him as padawan trying to imply hes like Ashoka or sumthing.
Second Obi-wan never defeated Maul in the saber fight, even with his temporary dark side boost, he still got beaten by Maul in the Saber fight.
Third you do realise when Maul fully gave into his anger he came close to besting Sidious. Now before you go crazy Sidious was just on the defence and testing him, but still thats certainly something the likes of Fisto and Agen Kolar(both above Greivous) are not capable of doing, and its far far above the level of TPM Obiwan.
Seriously if Maul faced 2 PM Obiwans instead of Qui-gon and Obi-wan, Maul would have killed them both. He wasnt even in Maul's league.
When Maul first engaged Anoon, within 2 seconds he knew he was the superior duelist. Anoon also knew it (states this in ShadowHunter) and Anoon was one of the finest swordsman in the Jedi Order. Maul wanted to fight Mace and Yoda who arguably were the best swordsman in the galaxy. If Maul out fought Jinn twice (if you count the brawl on Tatooine), then Maul was possibly the finest swordsman the Sith produced.
If he fought GG, not only would he use Juyo, but teras kasi and a double blade can be split in two seperate lightsabers, thus it would be a 4-2 lightsaber contest. Obi-Wan used Soresu and the Force to defeat GG. Grievous probably never faced a master of Juyo whose speed and unpredictabilty would confuse him. He (GG) was probably trained in Makashi. The 'Deadliest Sith Apprentice in history" would most likely win because he has the other options - teras kasi and Force.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Third you do realise when Maul fully gave into his anger he came close to besting Sidious.
This conflicts with your response to this:
Despite what the Essential Guide says, if Qui-Gon and Mace were truly equals in saber to saber combat, then that would make Maul > Mace, by proxy (which is utter nonsense.)
If Maul did come close to beating him (which I highly doubt), it's a feat that even Windu could barely manage, even with Vaapad and the superconducting loop, meaning Maul > Qui-Gon, Maul = Mace, Maul = Sidious.
gave Maul an actual fight before going down
Read TPM.
Now wait a second, you're logic=faulty. Just because Maul is better than Qui Gon and Mace is better than Qui Gon, that doesn't mean that Maul is equal to Mace. Maul could be just be a little bit better than Qui Gon, and Mace could be on a whole different plane, or vice versa. Show your work man...show your work 😐
Still haven't seen/heard anything that leads me to believe Maul could handle GG. /shrug
Aside from that, nowhere in Qui-Gon's The New Essential Guide to Characters bio does it say that he and Mace used to draw whilst sparring. So unless that information appears in another character's bio, then Wookiepedia is mistaken...
Originally posted by Galan007I think it's either from Shadowhunter or TPM Novel. Can't remember which.
Still haven't seen/heard anything that leads me to believe Maul could handle GG. /shrugAside from that, nowhere in Qui-Gon's The New Essential Guide to Characters bio does it say that he and Mace used to draw whilst sparring. So unless that information appears in another character's bio, then Wookiepedia is mistaken...
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
[b]No
Math says you're wrong. [/B]
Maul > Qui-Gon
Qui-Gon = Mace
Maul >= Mace
where
Originally posted by Galan007
Still haven't seen/heard anything that leads me to believe Maul could handle GG. /shrugAside from that, nowhere in Qui-Gon's The New Essential Guide to Characters bio does it say that he and Mace used to draw whilst sparring. So unless that information appears in another character's bio, then Wookiepedia is mistaken...
Still haven't seen/heard anything that leads me to believe GG could handle Maul. /shrug