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Originally posted by ares834
He hardly had anything planned out when "Star Wars" was first released. Leia was not Luke sister, the Emperor was a puppet for the Moffs, and Vader was not Anakin Skywalker.

No one is saying he can't change it just that he shouldn't... But if he does change it it should be for the better. And so far almost every change he does just makes the films worse and takes away the charm.

Sure. But Ridley Scott's Blade Runner has not only two but four diffrent versions of the film in the set including the theatrical version of the film. If Lucas just manned up and released the original versions people wouldn't be bitching no matter how many changes he added, but for some reason he wants to kick them under the rug and only allow his newest (inferior) versions to stand. I'm baffled really.

I read his biography 'Skywalking' and Lucas had a lot of crucial plot points made out by the time he was filming ANH. He knew if the series of films followed, he was going to have Leia end up with Han by the end, which meant Luke and Leia were going to have a special twist on their relationship. By the time he was shooting TESB it was certain Vader was going to be their father (yet Lucas let the kiss in the medical ward go ahead - ick) And the Emperor wasn't anyone's puppet. The concern Gary Kurtz had during the making of TESB was that Lucas was saving too many surprises for the third film, and thought the audience was going to be left hanging too much by the end. But it ended up working out.

We can debate the merits of the changes forever. If he had never gone ahead with the prequels, I would have been fine with the OT as it was. But Lucas got the tech he wanted to fix mistakes that bothered him for decades, and so to make the PT and the OT look similar, I understand why. I didn't agree with every addition he made, either. But if I had to choose between the Special Editions and zero changes at all, I will go with the former.

And maybe it Ridley Scott owned the rights to films like Blade Runner and Legend (to the best of my knowledge he doesn't), then maybe the Director's Versions of those films would be the only ones on DVD. Blade Runner: The Final Cut and Legend: Ultimate Edition are the only versions of those films he considers to be his, not the ones first released to theatres.
Lucas has long been in a special minority in Hollywood, being sole owner of a film franchise that doesn't bow to the whims of a major studio.
And all the PC fury over Han shooting first, pales in my opinion to Steven Spielberg's changes to E.T. - removing guns from the hands of police officers and photo-shopping in walkie talkies in the climax, deleting the word 'terrorist' as a Halloween disguise from the soundtrack. That's going too far.

Originally posted by ares834

WTF! How is R2-D2 supposed to get out of this?

I think if they didn't let us know of the changes like this then we would maybe not be able to notice it so easily. Having said that, if they are changing stuff like that and the hand on the 2 head podrace announcer, and yoda in EP I, and the arm of the Wampa.
They sure a shit had better fix the head of the wampa when it first attacks luke (it doesn't have any big horns), and they had better fix the boxes around the ties in all the movies. and they should redo the star destroyer hitting the death star in EP VI to be more grand. (the way it goes up in flames is just lame) and they should completely redo lukes saber on the falcon in EP IV not just that one scene where it was green.
and IF they still have Hayden at the end of VI then put him in his jedi robes, and have him smile a bit.

Originally posted by roughrider
[B]I read his biography 'Skywalking' and Lucas had a lot of crucial plot points made out by the time he was filming ANH. He knew if the series of films followed, he was going to have Leia end up with Han by the end, which meant Luke and Leia were going to have a special twist on their relationship.

Leia was not meant to be Luke's sister nor was she meant to be the other this was supposed to be part of the sequal triliogy.

By the time he was shooting TESB it was certain Vader was going to be their father (yet Lucas let the kiss in the medical ward go ahead - ick)

At that time Vader was only meant to be Luke's father.

And the Emperor wasn't anyone's puppet.

Not according to the Star Wars novel. By the time ESB came out though, yes the Emperor was meant to be in charge.

But if I had to choose between the Special Editions and zero changes at all, I will go with the former.

And that's your choice. I'm not going to say you're wrog.

And maybe it Ridley Scott owned the rights to films like Blade Runner and Legend (to the best of my knowledge he doesn't), then maybe the Director's Versions of those films would be the only ones on DVD. Blade Runner: The Final Cut and Legend: Ultimate Edition are the only versions of those films he considers to be his, not the ones first released to theatres.

Which is ultimately irrelevant to the point I'm making... Sure, Scott may not own the rights to the movies, but in the end the theoretical versions are still avaliable to those who want them. I'm unsure why Lucas would not allow those who want them to get them.

Lucas has long been in a special minority in Hollywood, being sole owner of a film franchise that doesn't bow to the whims of a major studio.

Good for him. Still doesn't make sense why he won't release the theatrical version.

Originally posted by roughrider
I read his biography 'Skywalking' and Lucas had a lot of crucial plot points made out by the time he was filming ANH. He knew if the series of films followed, he was going to have Leia end up with Han by the end, which meant Luke and Leia were going to have a special twist on their relationship. By the time he was shooting TESB it was certain Vader was going to be their father (yet Lucas let the kiss in the medical ward go ahead - ick) And the Emperor wasn't anyone's puppet. The concern Gary Kurtz had during the making of TESB was that Lucas was saving too many surprises for the third film, and thought the audience was going to be left hanging too much by the end. But it ended up working out.

We can debate the merits of the changes forever. If he had never gone ahead with the prequels, I would have been fine with the OT as it was. But Lucas got the tech he wanted to fix mistakes that bothered him for decades, and so to make the PT and the OT look similar, I understand why. I didn't agree with every addition he made, either. But if I had to choose between the Special Editions and zero changes at all, I will go with the former.

And maybe it Ridley Scott owned the rights to films like Blade Runner and Legend (to the best of my knowledge he doesn't), then maybe the Director's Versions of those films would be the only ones on DVD. Blade Runner: The Final Cut and Legend: Ultimate Edition are the only versions of those films he considers to be his, not the ones first released to theatres.
Lucas has long been in a special minority in Hollywood, being sole owner of a film franchise that doesn't bow to the whims of a major studio.
And all the PC fury over Han shooting first, pales in my opinion to Steven Spielberg's changes to E.T. - removing guns from the hands of police officers and photo-shopping in walkie talkies in the climax, deleting the word 'terrorist' as a Halloween disguise from the soundtrack. That's going too far.

The Star Wars Making Of books make it very clear Luke and Leia were nevr considered to be brother and sister. That part came around when making ROTJ. The only thing plannend was Vader being Luke's father. The 'other one' was supposed to be Luke's sister, but Luke would go looking for her after defeating Vader (and before destroying the Emperor).

And the comparison with Blade Runner is very different: Scott never got the chance to cut the movie the way he wanted to. Final Cut is the closest one.
Plus, there's a major lesson to be learned from the theatrical and the Director's/Final Cut: the removed a lot of obsolete narration... Lucas ADDS obsolete narration. Anyone can see the silent sacrifice is more powerful than the no's. Why add and make it worse.

But I agree with Windu: Lucas can screw around with his movies all he likes but why does he deny us the originals?

Oh, and that Artoo shot is totally ridiculous. Does no one dare to correct Lucas?????

George Lucas wrote a screenplay that was way too big for one movie, so he cut it virtually in half. He decided to shoot the last section of it as it had the most action, as he put it. But he had lots of notes and synopsis of what happened before and after - this is all from Skywalking.

(Yes, despite his denials, Lucas once thought the OT was going to be the middle part of a nine part series. It was just getting older that changed his mind about that, and finding through the writing that the real story of the series is Anakin's fall and rise. So yes, that did change things from his earliest ideas.)

Lucas knew from the beginning that Leia would end up with Han, because he resisted casting a young black actor named Glynn Turman in the role. Feeling he would turn the romance into another Guess Who's Coming To Dinner political debate, he decided to sidestep the race issue there. So that meant he had other plans for Luke and Leia's relationship at least.

I still think, like the many other additions Lucas has added, the "NO" doesn't change anything about the scene.

Originally posted by queeq
Oh, and that Artoo shot is totally ridiculous. Does no one dare to correct Lucas?????

Of course not. At least, not if you're employed by him. If you say anything against his word, you'd likely be out on your ass.

Originally posted by roughrider
George Lucas wrote a screenplay that was way too big for one movie, so he cut it virtually in half. He decided to shoot the last section of it as it had the most action, as he put it. But he had lots of notes and synopsis of what happened before and after - this is all from Skywalking.

(Yes, despite his denials, Lucas once thought the OT was going to be the middle part of a nine part series. It was just getting older that changed his mind about that, and finding through the writing that the real story of the series is Anakin's fall and rise. So yes, that did change things from his earliest ideas.)

Lucas knew from the beginning that Leia would end up with Han, because he resisted casting a young black actor named Glynn Turman in the role. Feeling he would turn the romance into another Guess Who's Coming To Dinner political debate, he decided to sidestep the race issue there. So that meant he had other plans for Luke and Leia's relationship at least.

I still think, like the many other additions Lucas has added, the "NO" doesn't change anything about the scene.

Unless you can get me a copy of his original screenplay that outlines the PT and has the unnecessary scenes of the SE in it, I don't see what your point is. The long screenplay he wrote ended up having little in common with the finished movie and even less in common with the Saga in its entirety. Except for a few names and a couple plot points, the story was completely different. That point is moot.

Originally posted by LanceWindu
Of course not. At least, not if you're employed by him. If you say anything against his word, you'd likely be out on your ass.

Agreed if your boss comes to you and says we are adjusting this you would be ok sure. for me the R2 thing is no big deal. but if i was the employee i would definatly ask what else is being changed or adjusted and suggest things that most definatly need fixing

fix the head of the wampa when it first attacks luke (it doesn't have any big horns), and they had better fix the boxes around the ties in all the movies. and they should redo the star destroyer hitting the death star in EP VI to be more grand. (the way it goes up in flames is just lame) and they should completely redo lukes saber on the falcon in EP IV not just that one scene where it was green.
and IF they still have Hayden at the end of VI then put him in his jedi robes, and have him smile a bit.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
Agreed if your boss comes to you and says we are adjusting this you would be ok sure. for me the R2 thing is no big deal. but if i was the employee i would definatly ask what else is being changed or adjusted and suggest things that most definatly need fixing

fix the head of the wampa when it first attacks luke (it doesn't have any big horns), and they had better fix the boxes around the ties in all the movies. and they should redo the star destroyer hitting the death star in EP VI to be more grand. (the way it goes up in flames is just lame) and they should completely redo lukes saber on the falcon in EP IV not just that one scene where it was green.
and IF they still have Hayden at the end of VI then put him in his jedi robes, and have him smile a bit.

You'd think so, but no.

Lucas just wants to add more crap, rather than actually perfecting what is already there. On standard screens, the boxes around the TIEs was something that most people didn't notice, but we're in the 21st century with high-def screens and crystal clear images. Fix the boxing? Nah, MORE CGI CIRCLE JERKING!

This is another reason why the Adywan Revisited fan edits are becoming my go-to for watching the best possible versions of the holy saga. If you've never seen his Episode IV Revisited cut, I highly urge you to.

Here is a comparison video from The Empire Strikes Back. He's still editing this one.

YouTube video

Another new scene in the Phantom Menace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dI-ghYimg&feature=related

Originally posted by theICONiac
Another new scene in the Phantom Menace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dI-ghYimg&feature=related

😂

Adywan does a great job editing the films... However, I hate his changes and many of them are as bad if not worse than some of Lucas's.

Originally posted by ares834
Adywan does a great job editing the films... However, I hate his changes and many of them are as bad if not worse than some of Lucas's.

Which edits do you mean?

There are a couple questionable edits for me as well, but overall it's still leaps and bounds better than Lucas' cuts.

Originally posted by LanceWindu
Which edits do you mean?

There are a couple questionable edits for me as well, but overall it's still leaps and bounds better than Lucas' cuts.

Like the interigation droid with the little lightsaber syringe... Ugh. Chewie getting a medal, the changes in the Battle of Yavin, etc.

However, he did enhance many things greatly like the lightsabers and he fixed some slight errors. Probably the best version avaliable right now.

Originally posted by ares834
Like the interigation droid with the little lightsaber syringe... Ugh. Chewie getting a medal, the changes in the Battle of Yavin, etc.

However, he did enhance many things greatly like the lightsabers and he fixed some slight errors. Probably the best version avaliable right now.

I actually love those changes. Maybe the Chewie one less than the others, though.

The syringe scene always sat weird with me in the original film. The little electro-syringe makes it a little better. The Battle of Yavin edits were needed. They fixed a lot of continuity errors as well as updating tech (IE, the new graphics in the mission room).

Originally posted by LanceWindu
😂

And here is the altered fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS for the Blu-Ray release:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6RBgAtHC_U&feature=related

Originally posted by roughrider
George Lucas wrote a screenplay that was way too big for one movie, so he cut it virtually in half. He decided to shoot the last section of it as it had the most action, as he put it. But he had lots of notes and synopsis of what happened before and after - this is all from Skywalking.

(Yes, despite his denials, Lucas once thought the OT was going to be the middle part of a nine part series. It was just getting older that changed his mind about that, and finding through the writing that the real story of the series is Anakin's fall and rise. So yes, that did change things from his earliest ideas.)

Lucas knew from the beginning that Leia would end up with Han, because he resisted casting a young black actor named Glynn Turman in the role. Feeling he would turn the romance into another Guess Who's Coming To Dinner political debate, he decided to sidestep the race issue there. So that meant he had other plans for Luke and Leia's relationship at least.

I still think, like the many other additions Lucas has added, the "NO" doesn't change anything about the scene.

Please READ The Journal of the Whills, READ The Making of Star Wars and READ The Making of The Empire Strikes Back. You'll see that very little was set in stone, the saga developed as it went along. He had ideas, not a clear storyline.

And these changes, ya know there are things I don't mind, like blinking Ewoks (a fix that kinda makes them more alive, no harm done there), like enhancing Mos Eisley. Even a lot of corrections in colour COMPARED to the 2006 DVD are fine. They look a bit crispier.

THere is once thing I seriously don't like, and that is the rather dratsic change in colour pallette for the OT. It used to be a bit palish, a clear documentary approach, it looked realistic. The blues on Hoth were a similar element... it didn't look stylised, it looked plain. And that was REVOLUTIONARY for a sci-fi film. Changing that, to me, drastically alters the original chosen and celebrated style of a movie that changed movie history. But still...it changes the experience slightly, not so much the story.

What I do HATE though is character changes. Han shooting first fits that category, Darth Vader's NOOOO in ROTJ fits it as well.

Tampering with effects, well, okay, if they look snappier, if boxes a removed around Tie's, sure... why not. New transfers of original film: great (look at what that did to The Godfather)... But really CHANGING it... making it into something it never was... that's close to what Lucas himself called barabaric.... unless... UNLESS... UNLESS.... he gives us the originals in a great transfer as well. Then he can f*ck his saga sideways as far as I'm concerned... I wouldn't be stuyck with his latest delusions of what his saga was suppsoedly in his original vision. The Making of Books make one thing clear: there was only a general vision, not a set in stone way to write, design, film and edit the entire saga.

on this page people have posted some changes
http://millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=9032&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300

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