Darth Maul v. General Grievous

I started reading this thread yesterday because I like Star Wars. Ran out of time to post.

But, movie Grievous sucked. He was a pitiful weak fool. He was a throwaway character, barely registering as a legitimate bad guy threat to the classic movie characters roll. I was sorely disappointed with his character in the film as he was crazy good in his other iterations. He took on several knights and a Master or two, all at once, and he kicked all of their @sses. Then, we have Obi Wan take him out, all by himself in the film.

That's lame.

Obviously, movie Grievous loses against movie Maul. But, we expand out a little bit into, still, canon sources of Grievous, he would wipe the floor with Maul.

Let's not get off track here and use versions of Grievous that we can't use. Movie Grievous was a p*ssy and sucked. He was barely a shadow of his bad arse self from the Cartoon and book.

This is a prime example of why we need an everything versus forum: "movie only" in the "movie only" versus forum is getting in the way of the richness and awesomeness of a character's ability.

And, this thread is full of hate and anger from all parties. Guys, just relax.

P.S. I got RJ to admit that Grievous would win if we could use the Cartoon. tee hee

Originally posted by dadudemon

But, movie Grievous sucked. He was a pitiful weak fool. He was a throwaway character, barely registering as a legitimate bad guy threat to the classic movie characters roll. I was sorely disappointed with his character in the film as he was crazy good in his other iterations. He took on several knights and a Master or two, all at once, and he kicked all of their @sses. Then, we have Obi Wan take him out, all by himself in the film.

That's lame.

Obviously, movie Grievous loses against movie Maul.[/b]

P.S. I got RJ to admit that Grievous would win if we could use the Cartoon. tee hee

Who was the better Jedi/more deadlier Jedi, Qui Gon Jin or Jedi-Knight Obi Wan?

IMO? Qui Gon had more skill.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
IMO? Qui Gon had more skill.

So you think Qui Gon from ep1, could have beaten Obi Won from ep3?

Edit, I messed up, Obi was a Master in ep3, right?

obi-wan was a master in RotS yes

Originally posted by Robtard
So you think Qui Gon from ep1, could have beaten Obi Won from ep3?

Edit, I messed up, Obi was a Master in ep3, right?

Yeah, but his fight against pre-burned Vader was.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, but his fight against pre-burned Vader was.

Obi Wan knew Anakin better than anyone. He knew all Anakins moves, knew how Anakin would fight, this is why he won in the end.

Same reason Dooku seemed to know all Obi Wans moves. He was Qui Gons former master, Qui Gon was Obi Wans former master......see the pattern?

I think it was more to do that Dooku was just a bad-ass with decades of training.

Anankin beat Dooku, once he skilled up to knight, though.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
GOT me to admit that? I admitted that to you even before we discussed this.

No you didn't. I have the message history right in front of me. I sent it to you, you ignored it or over looked it. Later, in our conversation, I got you to admit it, and then you tried to pass it off as your own idea saying something like "I never didn't believe that". I pointed you to the message and then said, "ewwwwwwwww! pwned you in da face! THHBHTHBHBHTBHTBH!" Is it ringing a bell, yet? 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Same reason Dooku seemed to know all Obi Wans moves. He was Qui Gons former master, Qui Gon was Obi Wans former master......see the pattern?

No. That's not how it worked. With Obi Wan and Anakin, yes, that's how it worked. Dooku was just a good Force user in his own right, and was a very adept saber duelist.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think it was more to do that Dooku was just a bad-ass with decades of training.

Anankin beat Dooku, once he skilled up to knight, though.

And it helped that his former student had trained Obi Wan. He sorta knew what to expect. You can't deny that he was one step ahead of Obi Wan the whole time, always ready for whatever Obi Wan threw at him.

Anakin was different. He went a bit dark side there, plus he was reckless.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No you didn't. I have the message history right in front of me. I sent it to you, you ignored it or over looked it. Later, in our conversation, I got you to admit it, and then you tried to pass it off as your own idea saying something like "I never didn't believe that". I pointed you to the message and then said, "ewwwwwwwww! pwned you in da face! THHBHTHBHBHTBHTBH!" Is it ringing a bell, yet? 🙂

No. That's not how it worked. With Obi Wan and Anakin, yes, that's how it worked. Dooku was just a good Force user in his own right, and was a very adept saber duelist.

Dude, you were ranting about MVF rules and how GG was watered down in the movies, I had to stop you and tell you that yes, movie GG sucked ass.

It's a theory.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And it helped that his former student had trained Obi Wan. He sorta knew what to expect. You can't deny that he was one step ahead of Obi Wan the whole time, always ready for whatever Obi Wan threw at him.

Anakin was different. He went a bit dark side there, plus he was reckless.

He was just better, overall, he had decades of experience on his side and he was darkside trained.

Or Anakin became the bad-ass he was born to be. Even as a Padawan, he did okay against Dooku for a bit.

To get on topic. Stands to reason GG fought/dueled a harder opponent and did well against him, basically had him beat.

I suppose that was a factor.

Anakin beat Dooku because he powered through an old man's guard. 😐

That is what is shown in the movies, and even the EU agrees with meh.

But, movie Grievous sucked. He was a pitiful weak fool. He was a throwaway character, barely registering as a legitimate bad guy threat to the classic movie characters roll. I was sorely disappointed with his character in the film as he was crazy good in his other iterations. He took on several knights and a Master or two, all at once, and he kicked all of their @sses. Then, we have Obi Wan take him out, all by himself in the film.

That's lame.

tl;dr

Obviously, movie Grievous loses against movie Maul. But, we expand out a little bit into, still, canon sources of Grievous, he would wipe the floor with Maul.

Could be be a little more specific? What acts of power has GG displayed? None. What renowned Jedi Masters has GG killed? None. What feats does he have? None. How many accolades to his name? Zero.

Who was the better Jedi/more deadlier Jedi, Qui Gon Jin or Jedi-Knight Obi Wan?

Qui-Gon. The man was on even footing with Windu.

IMO he beats AOTC Obi and ROTS Obi. Look at Obi fighting Dooku in AOTC then in ROTS. He wasn't a whole lot better.

This, and everything you have said about Kenobi and Dooku, is blatantly false.

And in the space where Kenobi's chest had been was now only the blue
lightning of Skywalker's blade driving straight for Dooku's heart.
Only a desperate whirl to one side made what would have been a smoking
hole in his chest into a line of scorch through his armorweave cloak.
Dooku thought, What?
He threw himself spinning up and away from the two Jedi to land on the
situation table, disengaging for a moment to recover
his composure-that had been entirely too close-but by the time his
boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving through a
defensive velocity so bewilderingly fast that Dooku dared not even try a
strike; he threw a feint toward Kenobi's face, then dropped and spun in a
reverse ankle-sweep- But not only did Kenobi easily overleap this attack,
Dooku nearly lost his own foot to a slash from Skywalker who had again come
out of nowhere and now carved through the table so that it collapsed under
Dooku's weight and dumped the Sith Lord to the floor. This
was not in the plan.

To get on topic. Stands to reason GG fought/dueled a harder opponent and did well against him, basically had him beat.

Kenobi is not Maul. GG did not beat Kenobi.

This:

This, and everything you have said about Kenobi and Dooku, is blatantly false.

And in the space where Kenobi's chest had been was now only the blue
lightning of Skywalker's blade driving straight for Dooku's heart.
Only a desperate whirl to one side made what would have been a smoking
hole in his chest into a line of scorch through his armorweave cloak.
Dooku thought, What?
He threw himself spinning up and away from the two Jedi to land on the
situation table, disengaging for a moment to recover
his composure-that had been entirely too close-but by the time his
boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving through a
defensive velocity so bewilderingly fast that Dooku dared not even try a
strike; he threw a feint toward Kenobi's face, then dropped and spun in a
reverse ankle-sweep- But not only did Kenobi easily overleap this attack,
Dooku nearly lost his own foot to a slash from Skywalker who had again come
out of nowhere and now carved through the table so that it collapsed under
Dooku's weight and dumped the Sith Lord to the floor. This
was not in the plan.

Not in the movie, therefore it has no bearing here.

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I wasn't aware that novels weren't canon. But how convenient for you, as you can keep regurgitating the same shit over and over again, with absolutely nothing to support your "argument". How can you tell if someone is doing well or not? It's impossible. How can you tell if Kenobi fought better or worse between ROTS and AOTC, just by looking at the lightsaber fights themselves?

Originally posted by Shoes
How can you tell if Kenobi fought better or worse between ROTS and AOTC, just by looking at the lightsaber fights themselves?

Considering this is the Movie Vs. forum, that is the thing to do.

What do you suggest we look at in determing who's a better dueist, if not the fights?