Darth Maul v. General Grievous

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering this is the Movie Vs. forum, that is the thing to do.

What do you suggest we look at in determing who's a better dueist, if not the fights?

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You misunderstand my point. You can't determine if Kenobi improved or not, simply by looking at the fights.

AOTC Kenobi lost to Dooku.
ROTS Kenobi lost to Dooku.

We can't see that he improved, but that's where the novels come into play. From the quote above, it's quite evident that Kenobi was a match for Dooku, even though Dooku won.

Another example of this is TPM. As Qui-Gon fought Maul, the novel says Maul wasn't even trying, whereas on screen, all we see is a flashy battle.

He could have lost both, yet improved in the second, as not all loses are equal.

I dissagree, Maul seemed to be playing with them from the start. When Qui Gon was by himself, the fight ended fairly quickly.

Either way, the books don't count here, for obvious reasons.

This is what I said, but we wouldn't see that improvement on-screen. According to RJ, if it's not on-screen, it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Shoes
This is what I said, but we wouldn't see that improvement on-screen. According to RJ, if it's not on-screen, it didn't happen.

Not RJ, the rules of the forum.

Discount all other canon sources, and go by your eyes?

Then how can you say he didn't improve?

Originally posted by Shoes
This is what I said, but we wouldn't see that improvement on-screen. According to RJ, if it's not on-screen, it didn't happen.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t478590.html

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t478590.html

Interesting.

GG is then unknown.

Maul wins.

I know, this is why we need an anything versus forum.

Originally posted by Shoes
Interesting.

GG is then unknown.

Maul wins.

Well, if you're this amicable, then you'll be fun to have around. I don't think anyone that comes to these threads, regularly, is willing to give up an argument if they aren't right. Good job. You get three internetz.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=529449&pagenumber=1

Tyranus defeated Kenobi easily both times because he's is that good. Take nothing away from Kenobi. And it's quite evident that ROTS Kenobi>AOTC Kenobi. He's much better in lightsaber combat and in the Force.

TPM Qui Gon Jinn>AOTC Kenobi
TPM Qui Gon Jinn>AOTC Skywalker

I say Maul or Grievous could solo these two.

I'm not saying it's "fact", it's simply a theory I have.

Originally posted by Shoes
Interesting.

GG is then unknown.

Maul wins.

Not so cut and dry, as we see GG doing fairly well against a tougher opponent than Maul took on.

ROTS Kenobi would wipe the floor with Maul, while GG almost defeated him; in fact, Kenobi had to use a weapon he doesn't approve of to win the fight.

GG ran, if he had stood his ground and fought Kenobi, Kenobi woulda ended him. Kenobi was pwning the saber duel.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
GG ran, if he had stood his ground and fought Kenobi, Kenobi woulda ended him. Kenobi was pwning the saber duel.

This.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Originally posted by Robtard
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hell yeah.

Clone Wars GG was awesome, but Obi Wan (according to Dooku) was his superior in that series as well, and this is not long after AOTC.

Maul was killed by a young Obi but he was the superior of both Obi and Qui Gon together, that has to count for something.

Originally posted by Allankles

Maul was killed by a young Obi but he was the superior of both Obi and Qui Gon together, that has to count for something.

Because he stopped to gloat, had he continued his assault, Obi Won would have ended up hand-less and at the bottom of that pit.

His own hubris defeated him.

Maul, and with no place to run for GG he loses all his arms before he dies aswell. For abc logics sake (and since this is movie versions) Maul > Obi & QGJ. OBI & QGJ probably > GG. GG literally did nothing to impress, he was not even a great swordsman for christ sake he lost 2 hands in 5 seconds against a defensive fighter. Dual sabre maul would tear him a new one.

Gloating cost maul his life, NOT his lack of skill. He' son'd QGJ who is = Windu.