Originally posted by truejedi
you make a lot of crap up, you know that? You didn't used to do that. You are Ivalice, right? You can PM me the answer if you want.
Right, I'm Ivalice. Don't forget, I am also //S\\ and Neb. Always harassing me, aren't you?
Read ROTS. In his duel against Dooku, it blatantly states that Anakin was getting stronger by the minute, and he was drawing on infinite force reserves. Fine, you called me on twice as strong. Then again, that's not out of the question.
Originally posted by ShoesActually, if he's on a Force nexus and has taken a stamina potion, his strength multiplier reaches a 4, PLUS he has immunity against anti-Dark Side techniques.
Anakin multiplies his strength by two every minutes because of fury.
UNLESS he's confused about life at the time in which case his strength multiplier jumps to 7, but he loses 35 defense points and his anti-Dark Side immunity. You can always cancel that out, though, by equipping an enchanted tunic and adjusting your lightsaber crystal. Plus his charisma takes a nose dive but who really needs that in a duel, amirite?
Originally posted by Shoes
Once again, everything you just said right there, without exception, was [b]wrong. [/B]
wow! i didnt even get one point right? thats bad even for me.
Just so you know your denying that Anakin was as fine as djem so user as dooku had ever seen, and that anakin matched obiwan in skill blade for blade.
Just 2 of the points that without exception are wrong.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Like I said Vapaad certainly gives Mace a power boost, as well as fast, lethal and unpredictable movements. But I wuldnt count Djem So out in a sword fight automatically. Djem So also has powerful strikes, and Anakin has enough raw power of his own. And technique wise Djem So is one of only 2 forms designed specifically for Saber Dueling.Neway I was actually talking about the "Superconducting Loop" whether that would work on Light Side Anakin.
Its the "Loop" that put him on par with Sidious, and allowed him to defeat him. I actually dnt see the "Loop" coming into play against LS Anakin, as he wasnt drawing ALL his power from the Dark Side.
He was still a Jedi and a good guy, so he must have still been drawing a considerable amount of power from the Light. If you take the "Half Sith already" thing literally then Maybe he was drawing about half his power from the dark side.
There is no light side, there is only the force and it's dark side. If Anakin draws upon the dark side, Windu has the advantage of the superconductive loop. If Anakin does not draw upon the dark side then he will not be powerful enough to beat Windu. Either way Windu wins.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
There is no light side, there is only the force and it's dark side. If Anakin draws upon the dark side, Windu has the advantage of the superconductive loop. If Anakin does not draw upon the dark side then he will not be powerful enough to beat Windu. Either way Windu wins.
Finally an actual argument. But heres the thing.. (no light side??)
anyway Vapaad creates a loop between the user and "the dark"..
"Zone" Anakin does not draw ALL his power from the Dark Side of the force. He actually drew on a decent combination from both sides of the Force while staying focused and in control.
He was still a Jedi, fighting for a good cause. He hadnt embraced the dark side, so he was still drawing considerable power from the Light Side of the Force.
However he did have "the gift of fury", meaning he had a lot of anger inside him which could easily come out in a fight and boost his already powerful strikes.
And if you read the ROTS novel Anakin was overpowering Dooku considerably while still seriously holding back with his rage.
So the way I see it if there is a loop here, it would be between Mace and like Half of Anakin's power. Maybe a bit more. So not really sure how such a loop would benefit Mace.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Finally an actual argument. But heres the thing.. (no light side??)anyway Vapaad creates a loop between the user and "the dark"..
"Zone" Anakin does not draw ALL his power from the Dark Side of the force. He actually drew on a decent combination from both sides of the Force while staying focused and in control.
He was still a Jedi, fighting for a good cause. He hadnt embraced the dark side, so he was still drawing considerable power from the Light Side of the Force.
However he did have "the gift of fury", meaning he had a lot of anger inside him which could easily come out in a fight and boost his already powerful strikes.
And if you read the ROTS novel Anakin was overpowering Dooku considerably while still seriously holding back with his rage.
So the way I see it if there is a loop here, it would be between Mace and like Half of Anakin's power. Maybe a bit more. So not really sure how such a loop would benefit Mace.
Hold on, I will get to this.
Originally posted by mattatom
All the moves Anakin has seen Kenobi do=/= All of Kenobi's moves.Also, source for "thousands".
Blade-to-blade, they were identical. After thousands of hours in
lightsaber sparring, they knew each other better than brothers, more
intimately than lovers; they were complementary halves of a single warrior.
Jedi Trial states that one sparring match is roughly an hour.
Power's right about Anakin. RotS has, I would say, four Anakins.
First there's Anakin that uses his "gift of fury" as Dooku refers to it. He's not Dark but: "There was a thermonuclear furnace where his heart should be, and it was burning through the firewalls of his Jedi training. He held the Force in the clench of a white-hot fist. He was half Sith already, and he didn't even know it... And even now, he was holding himself back... Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will."-----This is Gift of Fury Anakin.
Then there's Jedi "Light Side" Anakin: "...but Skywalker had lost his edge: a simple taunt was all that had been required to shift the focus of his attention from winning the fight to controlling his own emotions. The angrier he got, the more afraid he became, and the fear fed his anger in turn... now that he had started thinking about what he was doing, he could no longer walk.-----This is Light Anakin (in a sense), the one that restrains himself.
Then there's tEh Z0ne Anakin: "But Palpatine's words rage is your weapon have given Anakin permission to unseal the shielding around his furnace heart, and all his fear and all his doubts shrivel in the flame*... his firewalls have opened so that the terror and rage are out there, in the fight instead of in his head, and Anakin's mind is clear as a crystal bell. In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do. Decide. So he does. He decides to win."-----This is Zone Anakin, who uses his rage with total clarity and focus.
And then of course there's Vader. I won't get in to his quotes because we all know he was powerful, dangerous, and totally f*cked in the head.
*--my emhpasis, to show that Anakin's not fueled by fear and doubt, like Vader.
I'll say this, though, Power: nowhere in these passages does it indicate that Zone Anakin is even touching the Light Side. Rage is the word repeated a few times and, we being all big Star Wars nerds, know that that's something only Dark Siders use---Windu has ground with his Vaapad there.
As for the novel's quotes on Mace and his Vaapad against Palpatine: "Vaapad is a channel for Darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center--- And let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt... Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting completed by the shadow."
Windu's Vaapad would make short work of Fury Anakin. He immersed himself in Vaapad and flung Palpatine's fury around---he can do it to Anakin. Especially if Anakin is still holding back his reserves of strength.
Light Anakin has no chance. He's strong but his restraints he places on himself weren't enough to get past Dooku, they'll not be getting past someone like Windu.
Zone Anakin I think would be the most likely one to beat Mace. Though Anakin's Dark use of rage won't help against Vaapad, his total clarity and focus worked bloody wonders against Dooku. If Mace can't submerge in to Vaapad quick enough, Zone Anakin would overwhelm him.
Vader of course is a dead man. Unrestrained fury hampered by a confused and clouded mind. Vaapad plus a little cool thinking on Mace's part gives him the win for sure.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Then there's Jedi "Light Side" Anakin: "...but Skywalker had lost his edge: a simple taunt was all that had been required to shift the focus of his attention from winning the fight to controlling his own emotions. The angrier he got, the more afraid he became, and the fear fed his anger in turn... now that he had started thinking about what he was doing, he could no longer walk.-----This is Light Anakin (in a sense), the one that restrains himself.
I'm pretty sure that's Dun Moched Anakin right there, not LS Anakin.