Mace v Anakin

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
how does saying i think its possible mean that i think that thats what happened. 😐

my point was that one ambiguous quote leaves a ton of possibilities that are open to interpretation.

i dont understand what you mean. extrapolate please.

edit- no, i get it.

can you provide a list of other people who have actually outdueld mace besides those two?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i dont understand what you mean. extrapolate please.

edit- no, i get it.

can you provide a list of other people who have actually outdueld mace besides those two?

Mace as a child certainly WAS defeated during a sparring match, right? Maybe not by one of his peers but certainly by some Jedi Master who was not Yoda or Dooku because no matter how talented Mace was it's just not realistic for him to be the third best duelist in the Jedi Order even at such a young age.

BUT since the quote doesn't mention any Jedi Masters (who WERE better than Mace in his youth) except Yoda and Dooku we can certainly conclude that the quote cannot include Mace's youth but rather a time where he already was an accomplished and seasoned duelist.

or when he was 20.

or before he even began working on vapaad. or even after.

or not.

hence my point.

For a start I wanted to clearify that Mace's defeat to Dooku couldn't have possibly occured in his childhood. Now to this:

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
or when he was 20.

or before he even began working on vapaad. or even after.

or not.

hence my point.

So all of this strongly hints that Mace was already using Vapaad when he lost to Dooku.

The quote said that he was only defeated in 'battle'. Presumably training doesn't factor into that.

Mace, after a really tough battle. Anakin is too rash, Mace has more experience, not the mention the the ability to reflect Anakin's Djem So fury against him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The quote said that he was only defeated in 'battle'. Presumably training doesn't factor into that.

The quote didn't say battle:

"In the history of the Jedi order, only two opponents ever overcame [Mace]. One was master Yoda, who some said was the order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former master Dooku, who's own style was archaic, but stunningly effective."

^ It does, actually. I edited it into my former post. And I think someone posted the actual scan of said comment, not too long ago.

Still doesn't change much, though. 👆

acknowledged. Your point about Yoda is correct of course.

Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
Mace, after a really tough battle. Anakin is too rash,

He can be rash. He was however very focused when he defeated Dooku. He just decided to win, and he did.

Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
Mace has more experience,

Well experience didnt help Dooku against Anakin or Qui-Gon against Maul. And as far as Duelling skills go, Anakin has Completely Mastered his chosen form, Djem So which is a particularly good form for Lightsaber duelling.

Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
not the mention the the ability to reflect Anakin's Djem So fury against him.

Maybe. But whether Vapaad's superconducting loop would work on a Light Side Anakin who sometimes taps into his rage is as yet unknown.

Either way I do think "Zone" Anakin vs Mace would be an awsome fight. Theyre both very powerful jedis and master swordsmen.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Well experience didnt help Dooku against Anakin or Qui-Gon against Maul. And as far as Duelling skills go... Djem So which is a particularly good form for Lightsaber duelling. But whether Vapaad's superconducting loop would work on a Light Side Anakin who sometimes taps into his rage is as yet unknown.

Everything that you just said right there, without exception, was wrong.

in fact, there are canon quotes saying that the ONLY thing going for Dooku and Qui-Gon was their experience, so yes, it was all wrong, without exception.

Originally posted by truejedi
in fact, there are canon quotes saying that the ONLY thing going for Dooku and Qui-Gon was their experience, so yes, it was all wrong, without exception.

Actually the quote about Dooku was his decades experience was usless or sumthing. Iv got the quote at home. And I dnt see how it helped Qui-Gon, the quote said thats the only thing he had above Maul, but nowhere did it actually help him, because end of the day Maul was a better fighter despite having less experience.

Originally posted by Shoes
Everything that you just said right there, without exception, was [b]wrong. [/B]

Without exception? Really? So then your denying that Djem So is an exceptionally good duelling form. I suggest you go read up more on Djem So.

It's a variant of Form 5 designed specifically for Saber Duelling. Whilst Shien was the original Form 5 variant designed more for taking on multiple opponents.
Form 5 was an extension of Form 3. Whilst Form 3 concentrates on defence, Form 5 extends further to deflecting the attack back onto the opponent. So that also speaks very highly of Form 5's defences.

Anakin is well versed in both variants of Form 5.

Apart from Makashi, Djem So was the only other form designed specifically for duelling. It was "possibly" better due to it's sheer Force which could give Makashi users trouble.

So yeah when it comes to a pure lightsaber to lightsaber fight, Djem So is up there as one of the best, and Anakin was the finest Djem So user Count Dooku had ever encountered.

I don't think you were listening. Without exception.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I don't think you were listening. [b]Without exception. [/B]

This was my first line:

"Without exception? Really? So then your denying that Djem So is an exceptionally good duelling form. I suggest you go read up more on Djem So."

Try reading next time.

Saying Djem So is an exceptional dueling form is pretty much the DEFINITION of an opinionated statement. Try putting that in a research paper as anything other than the thesis...

Originally posted by truejedi
Saying Djem So is an exceptional dueling form is pretty much the DEFINITION of an opinionated statement. Try putting that in a research paper as anything other than the thesis...

No saying all I said without exceptoion is wrong without giving reasons is an opinion which wuldnt go down well in a "research paper"

I on the other hand backed up my opinions with facts about Djem So which anyone can look up.

Heres what I wrote:

"It's a variant of Form 5 designed specifically for Saber Duelling.
Form 5 was an extension of Form 3. Whilst Form 3 concentrates on defence, Form 5 extends further to deflecting the attack back onto the opponent. So that also speaks very highly of Form 5's defences.

Apart from Makashi, Djem So was the only other form designed specifically for duelling. It was "possibly" better due to it's sheer Force which could give Makashi users trouble."

If theres anything in that that your saying is false, then point it out and ask me for proof. But dnt just put it all down to my opinion without at least reading up on Djem So yourself. I mean seriosuly you think I just made up all that stuff on Djem So?? Lol.