The Superior Form?

Alrighty, eight different combatants square off in the Genonsis arena. The combatants are equal in every way, except for the fact that they each use a different form of lightsaber combat.

Combatant 1 = Form I: Shii-Cho
Combatant 2 = Form II: Makashi
Combatant 3 = Form III: Soresu
Combatant 4 = Form IV: Ataru
Combatant 5 = Form V: Shien/Djem So
Combatant 6 = Form VI: Niman
Combatant 7 = Form VII: Juyo
Combatant 8 = Vaapad

*For the purposes of this match, each combatant is equally as force sensitive (lets say around Mace-level [no Shatterpoint, obviously].) However, the only force powers that can be applied in this match are those that specifically pertain to lightsaber combat (ie. offensive powers like force push, choke, lightning, etc. cannot be used, but things like force grip, speed, strength, etc. can be used.)

*Assume that each combatant has fully mastered their respective form of combat.

*If at any time a combatant's lightsaber leaves their hand, they are automatically out of the match, (their saber cannot be used by someone else.)

Which form prevails?

All at once? Form 3's likely going to win on endurance.

I would think 8 is the overall strongest though.

Yes. They are all thrown into the Geonosis battle arena at once, and do battle.

I'm thinking it would come down to Forms II, III, and Vaapad.

Form II, because it is optimal for saber to saber combat.
Form III, because of the sheer defensive element it brings to the table.
Vaapad, because of it's raw power.

In this kind of melee fight, I too would go with form 3.

Though one form was specifically tailored to fight multiple opponents, wasn't it? which was that?

Originally posted by truejedi
In this kind of melee fight, I too would go with form 3.

Though one form was specifically tailored to fight multiple opponents, wasn't it? which was that?

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm thinking it would come down to Forms II, III, and Vaapad.

id go with two or three, leaning toward 2.

with all of the fighters being equal, any technique that gears specifically toward conserving energy will be the best

I'm thinking that eventually Form II would crack under the pressure of some of the other forms that use more brute strength/raw power to their advantage. Especially when it's duelist will also be fighting 7 other combatants at once (which isn't really an ideal atmosphere for Makashi.)

Don't get me wrong though, it'd still likely make it to the top 3-4.

that brings up an interesting point though. who is going to fight who and for how long?

honestly this thread is impossible. Too many variables.

It really comes down to which form has the best efficiency to power ratio. That's why Ataru would be one of the top contenders (likely even THE top contender.)

Meh I'm thinking it would come down to Ataru vs. Vaapad... Toss a coin for that one.

i dont agree. ataru exhausts the user quicker then any of the other forms. unless the person using it is extremely powerful in the force he will be wiped out by the time he gets to the last fighter, especially if he has to burn all his energy to down the patience of soresu and makashi.

well, it seems like Dooku knew a way to kill an Ataru user with Makashi, simply by knowing the form so well. That would seem like a pretty lousy weakness.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i dont agree. ataru exhausts the user quicker then any of the other forms. unless the person using it is extremely powerful in the force he will be wiped out by the time he gets to the last fighter, especially if he has to burn all his energy to down the patience of soresu and makashi.

Originally posted by truejedi
well, it seems like Dooku knew a way to kill an Ataru user with Makashi, simply by knowing the form so well. That would seem like a pretty lousy weakness.

Ignoring all the nonsense about forms and kinetic force...

Makashi is the most practical for two reasons.

- Its economical, no need for wide swings when a simple tap is going to kill someone.

- Doesn't waste time on bullshit "kinetic force" and instead focuses on what would actually matter, leverage.

The other styles are nonsense fanboy garbage created by writers that watch too much Kung Fu movies. Hell, even the on screen showings of Makashi look stupid. Makashi is simply the closest thing to a realistic application for a lightsaber if they actually existed.

i agree to an extent.

not all of the forms rely on kinetic force though. soresu doesnt...

Its the Anakin vs Dooku thing that bugs me.

He defeats Dooku because he has greater kinetic power because he's swinging a massless object faster than his enemy?

GAH!

Granted, if you have massless particles (they aren't massless, but in terms of a swordfight they might as well be) moving fast enough, they will hurt, but that requires a particle accelerator moving something like a proton or electron to speeds close to C.

At best a lightsaber is a kind of weird and inefficient way to transfer some of the kinetic force in the person's muscles. The best way to do that would to be to stab all the time.

Form III is good for defence.

For offence, Form VII can be very effective due to its unpredictable nature. Same goes for Vaapad.

Vaapad, ceteris paribus.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Its the Anakin vs Dooku thing that bugs me.

He defeats Dooku because he has greater kinetic power because he's swinging a massless object faster than his enemy?

GAH!

Granted, if you have massless particles (they aren't massless, but in terms of a swordfight they might as well be) moving fast enough, they will hurt, but that requires a particle accelerator moving something like a proton or electron to speeds close to C.

At best a lightsaber is a kind of weird and inefficient way to transfer some of the kinetic force in the person's muscles. The best way to do that would to be to stab all the time.

Haven't you ever played Jedi Academy? Stabbing all the time IS the best way to kill people.