Originally posted by DARTH POWERMy only problem with that is Juyo = THE most demanding form. So in an 'all things being equal' match, I am hard-pressed to see it [Juyo] penetrating Soresu's defenses before the former was fatigued (and subsequently vulnerable) as hell.
Read TFU page 178. It says Juyo being the most Lethal Form would eventually overpower Soresu, but would of course take a while.
oh, ok. So its talking about a specific fight with specific combatants. that was Darth Vader against some nameless Jedi. Hardly means all Soresu users will lose to all Juyo users.
EDIT: And I don't know what page that is, but it isn't 178, I just looked in my novel. Page 178 is the first page of Chapter 24, Juno's dream.
hey thats strange. Its pg 178 on my copy. Anyway its last few pages of chapter 21.
and truejedi, look at the quote. Its not talking about specific combatants, its talking about the styles. But of course it doesnt mean EVERY Juyo user would beat EVERY soresu user.
For instance it would clearly take a very High Level Master of Form 7 to get past Obi-wan's defences. Obiwan being THE Master of Soresu.
He's right, the quote is there. It's two (or so) pages shy of chapter 22 -- here's the entire excerpt:
"The apprentice struck again, higher this time, a deceptively loose blow that hid deadly subtleties beneath its wide swing. The Jedi blocked it, too; just. Soresu was a defensive fighting style well suited to the close confines of the hut, but it wouldn't last forever against the malignant grace of Juyo.
The Jedi came in hard and fast before the apprentice could idly another attack. He cared little if the Jedi hit him, so long as damage
was minimal. Close hits left flesh sizzling and armor smoking. The energy he saved on wild dodges he spent on tearing jagged planks
from the walls and throwing them at the Jedi's head. All were deflected, but it distracted the man, robbed his attack of some of its
momentum. When he paused, the apprentice sent a surge of Sith lightning under his guard."
What should be noted is the Jedi Galen was fighting was a no-namer who simply cannot be quantified as an adept wielder of Soresu. So yeah, that statement doesn't really apply to the parameters of this thread, where all combatants are equal.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERRight. His Juyo would have eventually prevailed over the no-namer Jedi's Soresu. This doesn't mean that the outcome still would have been the same if both combatants were equal in every way, AND solidified masters of their resperctive form(s).
But I think it does. Because the line wasnt about how Galen could overpower this particular individual because he simply has better mastery over his form.It was in that line talking specifically about the lightsaber styles that were in contest there, being the reason why Galen would eventually win.
Originally posted by NephthysI'll have to reread the chapter to get some context. For the sake of argument I just did a quick "Ctrl+F" on my digital copy to find the quote in question.
Wasn't that scene a dream or something? When the hell does it happen and whos the Jedi he's fighting.
Originally posted by Galan007
Right. His Juyo would have eventually prevailed over the no-namer Jedi's Soresu. This doesn't mean that the outcome still would have been the same if both combatants were equal in every way, AND solidified masters of their resperctive form(s).
Not convinced. It didnt give as the reason that He was better than the No-Namer, but that Juyo as a style would eventually overpower Soresu as a style.
Thats how I understood it anyway, under the given assumtion that both stylists were equally good at their respective forms.