Kratos vs. Machamp

I think it was Nephthys that discovered Professor Westwood wrote the dex entries. Apparently it's stuff already known.

Ash's goal was to catch as many Pokemon as he could, probably for study. Catch'em all, you know.

study?

enslave. 😐

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I don't see what doesn't make sense about it.

Machamp has the strength in one arm to move a mountain. This is far from the most ridiculous thing to ever happen in fiction, and is pretty consistent wit hthe pokemon universe which is full of shit like that.

One arm from Cronos has more strength than all four arms of a Machamp and Kratos actually pushed Cronos's hand away just so he doesn't squish him.

I think I'll choose not to discuss the slavery thing again.

Yeah, Cronos and Kratos are a lot stronger, but 1000 punches in a second still is going to hurt like hell.

That's true for the anime. But the plot hole doesn't really exist there as the Pokedex already knows everything. Unless the Pokemon hasn't been discovered yet, which even still the Pokedex still gets info about it somehow later on, likely through more culminated research that doesn't include Ash.

Well, yeah. Ash isn't the only trainer in Pokemon. The Pokedex doesn't know everything, we get new dex entries every generation.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A lightning bolt happens less often, and is very telegraphed.

Also, it won't need more than one. 😛

2. First of all, something has occurred to me.

Machamp is like five feet tall. 😐

His arms are also not particularly long, and Kratos stands at like seven feet apparently... Will Machamp even get close enough to throw a punch? 😐

Seriously, reach nukka, Kratos even with just his arms has it over Machamp, with the Nemean Cestus he has even more, and Kratos has strength surpassing Machamp's... He pummels him. 😐

Meh whatever. Pokedex plot hole exists in the game and has no legit explanation. At all.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. And is over a thousand times faster. 😐 A single punch from Machamp travels in about 0.02 seconds. A lightning bolt at 60,000 meters per second traveling two meters would travel in roughly 0.00003 seconds. Also, this is not even considering air friction, if I understand correctly, lightning traveling a shorter distance would average faster because air friction would play less of a role.

2. First of all, something has occurred to me.

Machamp is like five feet tall. 😐

His arms are also not particularly long, and Kratos stands at like seven feet apparently... Will Machamp even get close enough to throw a punch? 😐

Seriously, reach nukka, Kratos even with just his arms has it over Machamp, with the Nemean Cestus he has even more, and Kratos has strength surpassing Machamp's... He pummels him. 😐

Also, your point is invalid, cutscenes show just how incredibly loudly the lightning is telegraphed. 😐

Reach is valid, but not enough to save him from Machamp's superior speed and technique, and Machamp is plenty strong enough to dent him, he's got four arms that do what Cronos does.

Uh. Professor Westwood. Thousands, if not millions of trainers. A history easily going back hundreds of years in which humans lived with Pokemon.

Gotta disagree with that plot hole theory.

A thought occurs.

First hit BFR's the other guy. 😐 Money's on Machamp for superior speed, Kratos could theoreticly block, but he's still going flying over the horizon.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Uh. Professor Westwood. Thousands, if not millions of trainers. A history easily going back hundreds of years in which humans lived with Pokemon.

Gotta disagree with that plot hole theory.

that doesnt explain it at all actually. that makes it even more nonsensical.

what is machamp's movement speed

There's nothing more nonsensical about it, handing out pokedexes so trainers can add /more/ information as they come across it is just a good idea. It's like the pokemon wikipedia was invented in 1996 or something.

Machamp's capable of throwing 500 punches a second, it's legs can't be far behind. Similarly, it knows bullet punch, so can run around as fast as a bullet as far as approaches go?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Uh. Professor Westwood. Thousands, if not millions of trainers. A history easily going back hundreds of years in which humans lived with Pokemon.

Gotta disagree with that plot hole theory.

The game disagrees with that. In the anime, the plot hole isn't quite nearly as bad, verging on being nonexistent really to an extent. But in the game, the regional Prof invents the Pokdex and tells you to record the info for their research. Plot hole. 😕

if there is already data on the pokedex then why is that information only available after you see the pokemon for the first time, and how does that then count as "gathering data" if the data gathered is only redundant information that the pokedex apparently already knows?

Well, Red and Blue were some of the first trainers to get a Pokedex. In first gen they might have been the only two.

After that, a lot more have them. And it just increases every generation, until I believe every new trainer who gets their first Pokemon from a Prof. has one.

The ruins in Johto I believe are at least 1500 years old, and the markings there urge people to get along well with Pokemon. After a certain point, things about common Pokemon like Rattata will become common knowledge.

Plenty of time and opportunities to learn about Pokemon, and most of the people in the Pokeverse do it.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The game disagrees with that. In the anime, the plot hole isn't quite nearly as bad, verging on being nonexistent really to an extent. But in the game, the regional Prof invents the Pokdex and tells you to record the info for their research. Plot hole. 😕

They tell you to catch Pokemon, allowing you to fill up the dex with information. Pretty sure Prof. Oak was the only one to tell you they invented it. But I think all of them were involved anyway.

In what was is that a plothole anyway?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if there is already data on the pokedex then why is that information only available after you see the pokemon for the first time, and how does that then count as "gathering data" if the data gathered is only redundant information that the pokedex apparently already knows?

Still don't see how it matters, the 'dex is canon, and it is not a plot hole at all. Infact, it's the excuse for the professor to give you a WMD in the beginning of the game.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Same reason the gyms/trainers magicly get slightly tougher on a perfect difficulty curve? Beats me.

Still don't see how it matters, the 'dex is canon, and it is not a plot hole at all. It's basicly the excuse for the professor to give you a WMD in the beginning of the game.

that is what a plot hole is

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Arguing against the Pokedex doesn't make it less canon of course. But it doesn't change the fact that it is a device that couldn't possibly really work the way it does. Not any way that I see. lol

No, a plot hole is where aspects of the plot don't make sense. The professor giving you something to record data on isn't a plot hole. It already having data is incidental, the only thing questionable is why it doesn't list everythign in the beginning of the game.

In new generations, that's obvious: SPOILERS, also, would kinda kill the point of catching them all.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Arguing against the Pokedex doesn't make it less canon of course. But it doesn't change the fact that it is a device that couldn't possibly really work the way it does. Not any way that I see. lol

A universe where it's commonplace to hand out Weapons of Mass Destruction to children, goons in jump suits try to destroy the universe for lulz, and the common rodents can electrocute you so hard your nipples will never forgive you for that piecring in highschool, and how they learn information is the most troubling thing for you? 😛