Kratos vs. Machamp

Started by The Scenario11 pages

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The pokedex was obviously designed by the Chozo as a gift to humany. Pokeballs=Morphball.

Granted, this is all millions of years after the Chozo evolved from the Oocca and left the City in the Sky.

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://doodlegarmander.deviantart.com/art/Metroid-Bird-Magic-153208519

The pokedex was obviously designed by the Chozo as a gift to humany. Pokeballs=Morphball.

Granted, this is all millions of years after the Chozo evolved from the Oocca and left the City in the Sky.

..IT ALL MAKES SENSE. 😐

If someone is pointing a gun at you and you know their going to shoot you, that makes it no easier to be able to dodge the bullet. Same with the lightning and Zeus.

Originally posted by Spidervlad
If someone is pointing a gun at you and you know their going to shoot you, that makes it no easier to be able to dodge the bullet. Same with the lightning and Zeus.
but theres a difference in catching and dodging. also He randomly throws it it.

Originally posted by Spidervlad
If someone is pointing a gun at you and you know their going to shoot you, that makes it no easier to be able to dodge the bullet. Same with the lightning and Zeus.
If I had the fleece? Give me advance warning and apparently I can stop anything.

And, pray tell, tell us again what advanced warning was there involved?

Kratos blocks mid shot. Not before it ever happens due to some 'warning'.

Lightning doesn't travel at the speed of light... lolz. 😮‍💨

No one said it does. It does however travel faster than Machamp's punches.

I thought Champ could only "move" and not "lift" mountains. 🙁

Originally posted by CosmicComet
And, pray tell, tell us again what advanced warning was there involved?

Kratos blocks mid shot. Not before it ever happens due to some 'warning'.

We have a cutscene of Zeus using his lightning, and it takes time for him to get a shot ready. 😐 Why are we assuming d00d has 0.0003 reaction time, when it's more likely, and reinforced by a cutscene, that Kratos had plenty of warning the lightnin'-was-a-comin'? Also, the lightning comes less rapidly than Machamp's punches which are still much faster than Kratos', Machamp has more arms, and is stated to be able to simultaneously attack from multiple directions. Kratos cannot keep up with his opponent, who can hit him in four different places at once, when Kratos can at best, block two, and every hit, blocked or otherwise, is gonna send Kratos flying and BFR him.
Originally posted by Heythere,Honey
I thought Champ could only "move" and not "lift" mountains. 🙁

Can move mountains with one hand, has four.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We have a cutscene of Zeus using his lightning, and it takes time for him to get a shot ready. 😐 Why are we assuming d00d has 0.0003 reaction time, when it's more likely, and reinforced by a cutscene, that Kratos had plenty of warning the lightnin'-was-a-comin'? Also, the lightning comes less rapidly than Machamp's punches which are still much faster than Kratos', Machamp has more arms, and is stated to be able to simultaneously attack from multiple directions. Kratos cannot keep up with his opponent, who can hit him in four different places at once, when Kratos can at best, block two, and every hit, blocked or otherwise, is gonna send Kratos flying and BFR him.

I'm still trying to decipher what the phuck your argument in the first place is.

-We have a scene in God of War 2 where Zeus fires off a stream of lightning from his fingers with zero charge up time and no warning. Kratos blocks it midshot. We have another scene in God of War 3 where Zeus charges up a single massive bolt and then launches it, which Kratos easily sees coming, but the effect is too massive to block.

Are you trying to work out some sort of contradiction here? There is none. Different attacks, both times Kratos was able to see it coming. The only commonality is lightning is involved. Don't be selectively ignorant, you know this.

-Machamp can punch as rapidly as he wants, each punch is slower than lightning by far.

-And LOL at the notion that some 5 foot creature with terrible reach is going to overwhelm a guy who is 8 + feet tall(according to FT, thats what he's been retconned to from one of the bonus videos), by attacking from 'multiple directions'. No. They are in one direction, coming from one particular 5 foot creature with terrible reach, you make it sound like a speed blitz is gonna take place. 😆

Kratos fights Atropos and Lahkesis at the same time. He fights Zeus who can split up into at least 8 different physical forms, and Zeus is a flying teleporter mind you. Kratos also fights Charon, the ferryman of the underworld, in chains of olympus (Kratos' weakest game incarnation) and is easily able to keep up with him. Charon can go intangible, fly and his movement is teleportation like as well--sort of like Arkham from DMC.

How is Machamp going to swarm Kratos when he's lesser than all of that?

-He can't BFR Kratos either, not with a punch. Kratos takes a punch from Zeus, who is just as strong as he is, and he doesn't go flying or anything like that.

Machamp has no means of winning or even damaging Kratos and he's far slower than what Kratos is used to dealing with. And he's short. He gets one shotted by a half hearted BoE swing. Seriously stop feeling like you need to champion every minuscule Nintendo character you see. Machamp has no argument going for him.

He's more like 6-7ft. Not much taller then the normal people. (think some game (soul caliber?) said 6)

And dodging Zeus's shot doesnt mean he'll do the same to 500 hits a sec. One punch at that speed Kratos could react the same way but not that high number. Which goes to the not damaging Kratos part. The mountain thing would put him on a damaging Kratos level, especially if you factor in the speed of the hit.

On a slightly unrelated note, when Kratos flew up to the scorpion boss was that a case of the rising air currents too?

YouTube video 0:40 >_> Zeus charges his laser in a cutscene.

Reach is anadvantage, but so is speed. Machamp fights much faster than Kratos does. He's also got two extra arms to further lessen Kratos' advantage.

Also, did Zeus get a much better strength feat in GoW3? Because in GoW2, he was struggling to impale a weakened Kratos with the BoO. 😐

Slower than what Kratos is used to dealing with? Kratos has never been struck 500 times in a second by something that can move a mountain with one hand. 😐 That's enough to damage him, too.

Also, looking for the scene where Kratos apparently tanks a hit from Poseidon, can you provide it? Is relevant.

Originally posted by BloodRain
He's more like 6-7ft. Not much taller then the normal people. (think some game (soul caliber?) said 6)

No. Soul Calibur listed him as 7 feet tall. Also one of the developers said he was 7 feet back around the time God of War 1 was nearing release, on a Tech tv/G4 show.

But apparently in one of the extra videos in God of War 3, he was shown to be 8'6" or something that ridiculous. So he has been retconned to be even taller.

edit: Paste you moron. In that video Zeus isn't even attacking anyone with the lightning, he's forging the friggin Blade of Olympus.

And yes, Machamp is slower than several major bosses Kratos has faced.

Keep hurlin' insults >_>

Sidenote: 3:00; Cronos' only strength feat I know of, puts him at; not as physicly powerful as Atlas. Just sayin'. Cronos get something better in GoW3?

Proof of slowness?

Soulcalibur wiki says 6. Though I should find this extra.

But none he has faced can strike as fast.

Wiki is wrong. the official flash page put him at 213 cm. Which is 7 feet.

And Paste, all that scene showed is that Atlas and Cronos are the in same league. Hades was able to physically control both of them after they were hooked.

Nah, watch the scene where Cronos lifts a rock and throws it, 3:00. His only strength feat. That does not put him in Atlas' league.

Didnt see anything like that. Still 6 or 7ft is still an advantage, but not for a flurry like what Machamp can offer.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nah, watch the scene where Cronos lifts a rock and throws it, 3:00. His only strength feat. That does not put him in Atlas' league.

LOL. 'His only strength feat'. You really don't know too much about God of War. Cronos has a small mountain stuck on his back; Pandora's temple.

In numerical lifting feats, no, he technically doesn't have anything on Atlas' level. But against common obstacles, he has a comparable performance. Hades once he hooked into Atlas was able to physically turn him around, and at the beginning of the scene he was controlling Cronos with leverage.

-Hades is able to control Atlas and Cronos with similar ease? Check.

-Also, Atlas and Cronos are also chained up by GIANT chains. Chains so strong that neither of them can break them. Similar performance against the same type of structure? Check.

Let me guess, you were attempting to argue in a roundabout way that Atlas is somehow millions of times stronger than Cronos right? Lol.

Don't get me wrong though, Atlas is most definitely stronger, hell he has 4 arms! But his limbs individually are no stronger than Cronos'.

Didnt see anything like that. Still 6 or 7ft is still an advantage, but not for a flurry like what Machamp can offer.

The original Japanese flash site had him listed at 213 cm. First Tsuguri was the one who first directed me to it. But I can't find it anymore. However this wiki has the correct information on it:
http://www.8wayrun.com/wiki/Kratos

Also, Kratos will react faster than Machamp can punch anyway.

Reacting to Charon's teleportation like movement > Machamp's speed.
Tagging Hermes in combat repeatedly > Machamp's speed.
Reacting to Zeus' lightning > Machamp's speed.
Fighting Atropos and Lahkesis at the same time > Machamp's speed.