So it's basically something somebody said that was stated but without a source. Doesn't automatically make it not true.....but I can't really think of anything Kyo has done that would make it seem he was even close to being that fast. Except maybe keeping up with Yukimura when he uses his eye technique but even then that's a stretch.
Originally posted by King Kandy
No. The example is perfect, you are just refusing to admit it. Changing to a different form, he had more Ki but less speed. This proves, power level (ki sensing) does not equal speed.
No its not perfect unless you ignore on panel statements from Goku AND Cell AND Vegeta.
Not a good example and again, read what Cell and Goku say before using that as evidence.
Originally posted by Kento
😬 There isn't really any proof that their movement speed is as far below their combat speed as you say just to suit your argument....Their flying speed is how they hit somebody and get behind them to hit them again which you think is so fast. And their movement speed how they are able to fight faster than they eye can see...
There is a lot of proof. One of the proofs is, you can see DBZ fighters when they fly but during combat they are COMPLETELY invisible.
Originally posted by carver9😱 Just about every part of their fighting involves them moving around not standing still. Also when Gokou and Tien disappeared from the crowd they weren't just fighting they were moving around the ring, and when Gokou takes off his weights and knocks Tien out of the ring, pretty much all his does is run around the ring and knock them out, and Yamcha didn't see what he did. And Gokou went from next to Recoome to behind Burter and Jeice without them realizing it.
There is a lot of proof. One of the proofs is, you can see DBZ fighters when they fly but during combat they are COMPLETELY invisible.
Originally posted by King Kandy
This is what you said. What I said, refutes this statement totally.
No it doesnt since AGAIN it was explained why Trunks was unable to hit Cell from Cell own mouth and from Goku and Trunks even said it. It doesnt refute sh** since on panel, it tells you WHY Trunks wasnt a challenge for Cell in that form.
Originally posted by Kento
😱 Just about every part of their fighting involves them moving around not standing still. Also when Gokou and Tien disappeared from the crowd they weren't just fighting they were moving around the ring, and when Gokou takes off his weights and knocks Tien out of the ring, pretty much all his does is run around the ring and knock them out, and Yamcha didn't see what he did. And Gokou went from next to Recoome to behind Burter and Jeice without them realizing it.
None of what you said involved flight, it was pure combat speed.
Originally posted by carver9😕 No it doesn't. Tien, and Gokou were running at each other, and appearing around the ring. People could see them when they fought just not when they moved from one point to the next. And Gokou wasn't fighting against Recoome, Burter, or Jeice when he went from standing next to Recoome to being behind Burter and Jeice. That's movement speed. Super Saiyan Gokou hitting Freeza and then flying in front of him. Flight speed. Gokou using after images is based on his movement speed.
None of what you said involved flight, it was pure combat speed.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I haven't taken physics in forever, and trying to do solve algebra with typing is a complete mess every time. Maybe i'll look over it later, but your guess is probably as good as mine--we know for a fact that your answer is wrong, but I can't identify at first glance where the part that was wrong is.
Thanks for the thought.
Yeah, that math is something we did, first semester, in physics...it's been forever since I've used G.
And, definitely, it's wrong. I'm missing or need to divide a factor of 10 9 at the very least), I think, because of some math. I woked, backwards, from what my weight would be on Jupiter compared to Earth. I used a common number I googled on the internet. It said that I would experience a force, on Earth, of 982.2xx kg/s/s, meaning, I was off by a factor of 10 (cause, it should have been close to 98, (ten times the gravity), not 982 (yes, I know working it backwards and having a factor of 10 would result in 9.806, but the math fluctuates, depending on which radius you're using because it's (Jupiter) an oblate spheroid.))
So, yeah, at the very least, I have a factor of 10 wrong, in there somewhere, not to mention to s/s portion I mentioned in my calc.
I could just look it up in one of my old physics books, but I's packed up, at home, somewhere, cause I just moved.
Anyway, if you get a wild hair, check to see what I did wrong. the Algebra portion of it is fine...it's doing the final math part that I'm screwing up on.
Originally posted by Kento
😕 No it doesn't. Tien, and Gokou were running at each other, and appearing around the ring. People could see them when they fought just not when they moved from one point to the next. And Gokou wasn't fighting against Recoome, Burter, or Jeice when he went from standing next to Recoome to being behind Burter and Jeice. That's movement speed. Super Saiyan Gokou hitting Freeza and then flying in front of him. Flight speed. Gokou using after images is based on his movement speed.
I know they werent disappeared throughout the fight, that would have been crazy (tien and goku) but everything in that battle was combat speed, including them running; flying and running are two different things.
The scene with Recoome, Burter, or Jeice, well, I think he ran on that scene to their destination since we see him on the ground afterwards. DBZ short burst are amazing but their flight overall just sucks and there is nothing showing me that they can fly at high speeds or close to their combat speed.
Goku hitting frieza is short burst of speed which Goku along with other DBZ fighters are good at. I'm referring to their overall flight and it sucks. The reason I think it sucks is because Z fighter try not to use a lot of energy while flying, they basically try to reserve their energy. The only reason I am saying is because during the end of DBZ, pan who is MUCH weaker than Goku during the Sayain Saga, flew around the world in two minutes, so I'm pretty sure, Goku who is much more faster can do it at a better rate but since it was training she didnt care about the amount of KI she used during flight.
I agree, after images is based on movement speed but you can tell the difference between his combat and movement speed. How about this, show me one time where a human or anyone failed to see Goku or any Z fighter flying and then you'll have an argument because I can show you humans or Z fighters failing to see others during combat.
Originally posted by carver9
The only reason I am saying is because during the end of DBZ, pan who is MUCH weaker than Goku during the Sayain Saga, flew around the world in two minutes, so I'm pretty sure, Goku who is much more faster can do it at a better rate but since it was training she didnt care about the amount of KI she used during flight.
Carver, where did you get the information about Pan flew around the world in two minutes? I know she flew around the world but there's no statement about the time.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Carver, where did you get the information about Pan flew around the world in two minutes? I know she flew around the world but there's no statement about the time.
Didnt Goku say that it was 2 minutes after she did it? He was clocking her and he said that it was still too slow.
Originally posted by carver9😛 Every time they are fighting while flying in the air, and disappear from view.
How about this, show me one time where a human or anyone failed to see Goku or any Z fighter flying and then you'll have an argument because I can show you humans or Z fighters failing to see others during combat.
Also if Gokou's running speed was so much faster than his flying speed, he would have ran instead of flying when trying to get to earth from King Kai's.
This whole argument is pretty retarded anyway. If, as carver seems to think, they are FTL in combat but somehow cannot travel that fast, this would lead to rather strange consequences. For example, it takes light less than 1/7th of a second to circle the earth. It takes even end - of - manga DBZ characters several minutes to simply reach another place on earth. This would indicate that they could only move at carver's wank speeds for a very very small fraction of time - say, a nanosecond. However, this is nonsensical. Why couldn't they simply move at lightspeed every other nanosecond, thus being able to travel the world in 2/7ths of a second? If I want to be generous and say that they can circle the earth in just 1 minute at the end of the series, then that would still mean they can only reach this crazy speed very rarely, say once or twice every 5 seconds. But that's not what we see in these fights.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
This whole argument is pretty retarded anyway. If, as carver seems to think, they are FTL in combat but somehow cannot travel that fast, this would lead to rather strange consequences. For example, it takes light less than 1/7th of a second to circle the earth. It takes even end - of - manga DBZ characters several minutes to simply reach another place on earth. This would indicate that they could only move at carver's wank speeds for a very very small fraction of time - say, a nanosecond. However, this is nonsensical. Why couldn't they simply move at lightspeed every other nanosecond, thus being able to travel the world in 2/7ths of a second? If I want to be generous and say that they can circle the earth in just 1 minute at the end of the series, then that would still mean they can only reach this crazy speed very rarely, say once or twice every 5 seconds. But that's not what we see in these fights.
Good point, I just think it strains them when flying because it takes a lot of KI away from them when they can simply use that KI during combat.
Originally posted by Kento
😛 Every time they are fighting while flying in the air, and disappear from view.Also if Gokou's running speed was so much faster than his flying speed, he would have ran instead of flying when trying to get to earth from King Kai's.
Short bursts.
Some of the time he ran, bounced, and flew when leaving the KI planet. He ran the entire way there though when he had the ability to fly.
Answer this, how did you feel about that scan where popo was teaching Goku how to fight as fast as lightning?
Originally posted by carver9
Are you referring to flying, the place where DBZ sucks ass. It was pretty obvious that Goku was twice as fast since Nappa was unable to touch Goku at all and danced around his attacks.
There are 2 guns. Gun a and Gun b
Gun b fires at the same time as gun A
A bullet is going 100 milles a second
B bullet is going 101 miles a second
The first bullet with never catch up to the second bullet
You dont need to be twice as fast dumb shit.