Originally posted by truejedi
They did not do equally well. Bullcrap. Besides, he wouldn't have died. Kenobi was ordered to capture Jango.The fights had two entirely different conotations.
You know what? I finally agree with you on something. They didn't.
Obi-Wan did much better. He stood his ground against Jango and a ship.
Wasn't even aware of that. Prove it's PIS.
I am unaware of the true circumstances but I recall that it was a fight in which he took them completely unaware, in the middle of the freezing snow after tehy had just fought a brutal battle. These were featless padawans btw.
Irrelevant; he is faster. If he wanted to take her by surprise, he would slit her throat as she slept.
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You think hes faster becuase he can squeeze a trigger fast enough to give Mace Windu pause while he bats the bolts of plasma away with a glorified stick. No.
Read these: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_speed 'It was a common ability among members of the New Jedi Order, with many employing the technique including Mara Jade...' Mara has superspeed. Jango does not.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Sense http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Precognition Mara knows what Jango is going to do before he even does it. Jango does not.
In other words Mara is faster than Jango, can block his shots and then Force Lightning him to death with ease.
Here. This is what is being disputed. This is what you you have difficulty with. Jango is not a regular human being.
There s nothing remotely above human about him.
Jango Fett nearly killed Mace Windu. Mace Windu had to parry desperately to bat back some blaster fire. Whether or not Mace could take a bolt to the chest is questionable, however, it's completely incontestable that Mace did in fact struggle to win. He was in fact in a life-threataning situation. Jedi reflexes are one thing, but when a man of Windu's stature is forced to fight for his life, saying that Jango is as fast and as skilled as Windu, is perfectly logical. Prove to me that JEDILOL > Mandalorians.
I have done so already. Mace Windu ****ing up and acting like an idiot while his friends die around him and after he just made the biggest mistake of his life does not make Jango uber. Furthermore, as others have told you its simply Mace's (extremely humble) opinion that he was acting desperately, he could just be remembering it wrong, particulately as he is angsting over teh whole thing and is depressed and angry with himself. And the guy was pulling a freaking trigger. Speed doesn't even come into it.
And if he did actually struggle with him then its just PIS, Mace having an off day etc
See above. Read Shatterpoint. Windu makes it explicitly evident that he is not fast enough to both slice through Dooku and deflect Jango's bolt. That's with Jango turning around, and friction coming into play.
Wow. Damn him for not being able to be in two places at once. Damn him. 😐
I dare you to prove this. Jango has demonstrated speed that rivals a sphere of purple fire. Don't regurgitate JEDILOL. I want an actual feat that puts her on his level.
Her fight with Caedus. Her fight with Lumiya. Jedi master level speed, reflexes and force-rape make her win.
Originally posted by Gideon
Shoes, WTF.
He brought up Kenobi. After reading through the past 8 pages, are you saying that Mara can possibly win this?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I am unaware of the true circumstances but I recall that it was a fight in which he took them completely unaware, in the middle of the freezing snow after tehy had just fought a brutal battle. These were featless padawans btw.😐
You think hes faster becuase he can squeeze a trigger fast enough to give Mace Windu pause while he bats the bolts of plasma away with a glorified stick. No.
Read these: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_speed 'It was a common ability among members of the New Jedi Order, with many employing the technique including Mara Jade...' Mara has superspeed. Jango does not.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Sense http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Precognition Mara knows what Jango is going to do before he even does it. Jango does not.In other words Mara is faster than Jango, can block his shots and then Force Lightning him to death with ease.
There s nothing remotely above human about him.
I have done so already. Mace Windu ****ing up and acting like an idiot while his friends die around him and after he just made the biggest mistake of his life does not make Jango uber. Furthermore, as others have told you its simply Mace's (extremely humble) opinion that he was acting desperately, he could just be remembering it wrong, particulately as he is angsting over teh whole thing and is depressed and angry with himself. And the guy was pulling a freaking trigger. Speed doesn't even come into it.
And if he did actually struggle with him then its just PIS, Mace having an off day etc
Wow. Damn him for not being able to be in two places at once. Damn him. 😐
Her fight with Caedus. Her fight with Lumiya. Jedi master level speed, reflexes and force-rape make her win.
I could give you a long and detailed explaination why you are wrong beyond wrong, but I am tired.
I will leave with this:
Mace was nearly killed by Jango.
Mace acknowledges Jango is as fast as him, or at least near him.
Mace > Mara.
Have a good night.
Shoes
Are you saying that Mara can possibly win this?
Absolutely.
Jango a highly skilled bounty hunter and combatant, but Mara Jade is an equally trained assassin and fighter, equipped with ridiculous training at the hands of Palpatine and proficiency in the Force.
There are situations in which Jango could win, but he hasn't displayed anything that suggests he could contend with Mara in a straight up engagement.
Originally posted by Nephthys
ABC logic does not work for this precise reason. And Mace acknowledges no such thing.
I think I've missed something. Why doesn't ABC work again? It's already been established that Jango = 90% of Windu.
Back to page 2 you go, where we discussed the finer things of Shatterpoint (IU statements, Jango's speed, etc).
Originally posted by Gideon
Absolutely.Jango a highly skilled bounty hunter and combatant, but Mara Jade is an equally trained assassin and fighter, equipped with ridiculous training at the hands of Palpatine and proficiency in the Force.
There are situations in which Jango could win, but he hasn't displayed anything that suggests he could contend with Mara in a straight up engagement.
He nearly killed Mace.
Originally posted by truejedi
no, no it hasn't.
Yes, yes it has.
Also, I would have you expound on why you don't believe me. Everything I have said has been completely logical. Every word I post has some sort of evidence supporting it, and every assumption I make is perfectly reasonable. Seems to me you think I'm Ivalice. Seems to me like you have a beef with Ivalice. That can get you banned, you know.
Originally posted by Shoes
Yes, yes it has.Also, I would have you expound on why you don't believe me. Everything I have said has been completely logical. Every word I post has some sort of evidence supporting it, and every assumption I make is perfectly reasonable. Seems to me you think I'm Ivalice. Seems to me like you have a beef with Ivalice. That can get you banned, you know.
I think I've missed something. Why doesn't ABC work again?
Becuase it leads to idiotic things like 'people' ignoring extraneous circumstances. Like Jacen Korr being above Marka Ragnos becuase he beat him even though Ragnos was using a different body and had been dead for 6000 years. Or Luke being above Vader even though he only won through pure luck and becuase Vader was going easy on him. Or the Exile being above Nihilus even though he was drastically weakened. Beating somebody does not mean you're better than them, particularly when they really shouldn't have done. If anything, that quote just makes Mace worse, not Jango better. Finally Jango was just pointing a gun and firing. There is no skill involved at all, so it isn't a good feat. A good feat is a mere untrained force-sensitive shooting blaster bolts out of the air in Coruscant Nights. Thats freaking awesome. What Jango did was not.
You're not even doing it right btw. What, Mace>Jango and Mace> Mara so Jango>Mara? That doesn't make sense. 😬