Originally posted by Damborgson
My favorite part about this is how nonchalant everyone is about Cap assaulting Supes.
Hourman: "Impressive."
Kyle: "Cool!"
Thor gets knocked out, and everyones like "YOU DON'T DO THAT TO THOR!". Someone takes Supes out, and it's high fives all around.
I don't think his friends like him much. ^_^;
Originally posted by cdtm
My favorite part about this is how nonchalant everyone is about Cap assaulting Supes.Hourman: "Impressive."
Kyle: "Cool!"
Thor gets knocked out, and everyones like "YOU DON'T DO THAT TO THOR!". Someone takes Supes out, and it's high fives all around.
I don't think his friends like him much. ^_^;
lol this is gonna set someone off, I bet.
Originally posted by cdtm😂 its true.
My favorite part about this is how nonchalant everyone is about Cap assaulting Supes.Hourman: "Impressive."
Kyle: "Cool!"
Thor gets knocked out, and everyones like "YOU DON'T DO THAT TO THOR!". Someone takes Supes out, and it's high fives all around.
I don't think his friends like him much. ^_^;
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So you think freeze breath and blow breath will slow Marvel down for Supes, and yet in the other thread you dnt think Thor, with all his exotic powers and complete weather control and manipulation, could even deal with Supes speed??Hmm interesting.. I might be sensing a bit of bias here 😛
The problem is that Supes is equal or faster in combat than CM. Thor is slower in combat than Supes. This makes a huge difference. If Thor had the combat speed and maneuverability as Supes then he would win 10/10 and I would put him at trans level at the very least IMO. Thus it evens things out if Thor was slower, otherwise he would be too powerful for any herald level being.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The level of irony in this statement is over 9000.You do realize that essentially almost all your arguments for how a character fights is never how they actually fight on panel?
I'm not even going to bother with the numbers and percentages you literally just pulled out of nowhere.
I said I'll accept it so what's the problem? But since you don't usually argue that way I sensed a little desperation as to the reason I brought it up.
Originally posted by cdtm
My favorite part about this is how nonchalant everyone is about Cap assaulting Supes.Hourman: "Impressive."
Kyle: "Cool!"
Thor gets knocked out, and everyones like "YOU DON'T DO THAT TO THOR!". Someone takes Supes out, and it's high fives all around.
I don't think his friends like him much. ^_^;
Re: Superman Vs Captain Marvel
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
whos better of the two?Mainstream Superman Vs Captain Marvel
KC Superman Vs KC Captain Marvel
PC Superman Vs PC Captain Marvel
Superman 1 million Vs Captain Marvel 1 millionWhere is black adam compared to these guys.
even if its slightly, who is more powerful
Mainstream Superman Vs Captain Marvel-Edge To Captain Marvel
KC Superman Vs KC Captain Marvel-Captain Marvel
PC Superman Vs PC Captain Marvel-Captain Marvel
Superman 1 million Vs Captain Marvel 1 million-Superman
Black Adam is between these 2
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap can dodge and out race his own lightning. He has to stand still and allow the bolt to hit him to trigger the transformation to and from Billy Batson.Not to mention that he can unleash lightning in expansive areas outside of yelling Shazam such as when he amps his fist or makes lightning fueled tackles.
As far as the whole holding back thing goes, Captain Marvel holds back against Superman, too. Hell, you could argue Cap holds back more in general and is less aggressive than Superman is by virtue of just how nice of a guy Billy is deep down inside. I get the fact that you feel the need to champion Superman in every thread and defend him, but honestly, the idea that Superman could ever "wreck" Captain Marvel is nonsensical and really based on nothing save extremely special circumstances that won't come up in a typical fight...ever.
The only time Cap really looked inferior to Superman in a fight was that first Eclipso one. In the second, it was painfully obvious that Cap was holding back and even so, perfectly capable of holding his own against Eclipso Superman. Superman requiring three sucker punches of Cap's to go down is an extremely good and high showing of Superman's resistence to magic, no doubt about it. But considering how well Cap has fared against Superman without explicitly amping his punches (which is a fairly new power of Cap's all things considered) or without bombarding him with Shazam bolts or lightning fueled quakes, it says a lot.
You can't cling to these claims of Cap's obvious inferiority (which really doesn't exist) and in the same breath ignore the multiple claims of Kal's concession that "we're too evenly matched" or "You're more equal in my every way" or "I had no idea what kind of power you possessed, Billy". The reality of the situation is that 9 times out of 10, Captain Marvel is going to stalemate or hold his own against Superman if and when they clash. That's just how it is. Agree with it or not, but them's the breaks.
As far as Diana goes, she's never stalemated Superman in a direct test of strength in the form of arm wrestling or locking arms (and multiple times at that).
Case in point, you may feel that Superman is >>> Cap, but, really, the majority of comics don't support that at all.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I am.I'm nervous to see how Geoff re-introduces Billy to the new continuity, but also excited. My primary fear is that he's going to wind up introducing Black Adam and letting his love for Teth go too far *cough*likeSinestro*cough*. At this point, I'd rather Cap just stand on his own with no CM3 or Mary Marvel and no team affiliations.
I agree. I wish DC would have gave Cap his own new 52 book.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cap can dodge and out race his own lightning. He has to stand still and allow the bolt to hit him to trigger the transformation to and from Billy Batson.
Where did he dodged his lightning by outracing it? It's always by someone bracing it and cap hiding behind him. His lightning is always pointed at him, it has changed direction in mid-air and he narrowly escaped death in Power of shazam graphic novel when he shouted shazam in mid-flight and it hit him while he was changing position. Do you have any scans or issue number of him dodging it because I've never seen it.
Not to mention that he can unleash lightning in expansive areas outside of yelling Shazam such as when he amps his fist or makes lightning fueled tackles.
And superman can always go intangible like this
he has done it far more than cap using amped fists or lightning fueled tackles.
As far as the whole holding back thing goes, Captain Marvel holds back against Superman, too. Hell, you could argue Cap holds back more in general and is less aggressive than Superman is by virtue of just how nice of a guy Billy is deep down inside. I get the fact that you feel the need to champion Superman in every thread and defend him, but honestly, the idea that Superman could ever "wreck" Captain Marvel is nonsensical and really based on nothing save extremely special circumstances that won't come up in a typical fight...ever.
First thing I don't go in every thread to champion superman. I just try to give him credit for his feats like everyone does here for his favorites. Second, what holding back? Whenever he has fought against superman when Kal is not eclipsed he is the one who was more aggressive and even then he don't have a single win in his favor. In man of steel 102 he thought superman was black adam who killed his parents while superman saw him like Cyborg superman and tried to restrain him while marvel was trying to kill him. In POS 46 he was nearly foaming from mouth when superman was trying to calm him down and it was marvel who was in a headlock for the most part of fight. In superman/batman he suckerpunched a weakened (he was explicitly shown to be slower than an "atlantean" power girl), exhausted superman from behind
and even with an "advantage" and two shots to face couldn't bring him down then superman caught his punch and threw him away like garbage.
The only time Cap really looked inferior to Superman in a fight was that first Eclipso one. In the second, it was painfully obvious that Cap was holding back and even so, perfectly capable of holding his own against Eclipso Superman. Superman requiring three sucker punches of Cap's to go down is an extremely good and high showing of Superman's resistence to magic, no doubt about it. But considering how well Cap has fared against Superman without explicitly amping his punches (which is a fairly new power of Cap's all things considered) or without bombarding him with Shazam bolts or lightning fueled quakes, it says a lot.
Why don't you post something that shows cap's superiority against superman? All you have said is that DC considers them equals and shows them equal in a arm wrestling and stalemating when both of them are holding back. I already said that if both are holding back then it's a draw, but if both are bloodlusted then cap would get beat like he has always been whether it's first eclipso fight or here when superman sent him from california to hawaii in a single punch, eyes closed and drifting in air.
Believe it or not superman has shown to be more durable than captain marvel. When tesserect turned cap inside out, the same attack merely made superman grunt.
You can't cling to these claims of Cap's obvious inferiority (which really doesn't exist) and in the same breath ignore the multiple claims of Kal's concession that "we're too evenly matched" or "You're more equal in my every way" or "I had no idea what kind of power you possessed, Billy". The reality of the situation is that 9 times out of 10, Captain Marvel is going to stalemate or hold his own against Superman if and when they clash. That's just how it is. Agree with it or not, but them's the breaks.As far as Diana goes, she's never stalemated Superman in a direct test of strength in the form of arm wrestling or locking arms (and multiple times at that).
Case in point, you may feel that Superman is >>> Cap, but, really, the majority of comics don't support that at all.
Who's clinging now? I've given multiple reasons and situations where Kal is shown to be superior to cap but you would ignore all of that and go by character statement that "we are too evenly matched" or something like that. Tell you what J'onn has been stated by most powerful member of the league, "Hal has more power than entire league", "we are too evenly matched in power, princess" , these are just claims. Cap has never shown to be superior of superman, true equals have at least some showings of being superior of each others like Thor and Surfer or Thor and Hulk not just lip-talk. I don't think superman>>Cap, I just think superman is overall superior to him and adam and would beat both of them if he is bloodlusted
Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did he dodged his lightning by outracing it? It's always by someone bracing it and cap hiding behind him.
I don't think mainstream post crisis Cap ever dodged it, though theoretically he should be capable.
Examples where it's dodged by a Marvel relative is Pre Crisis Black Adam tackling Cap, than moving out of the way before it hits them, forcing Caps transformation into Billy, and Kingdom Come where Cap is grappling Supes, than moves at super speed to back away from the lightning just before it hits Superman.
And of course, Flash dodged it. But the lightning kept after Billy, so that kind of implies the lightning may be undodgable unless it hits someone else..