Originally posted by Wild Shadow
apparently magically he also lost his HF that was evident in his wolverine battles early in his career... he never had one and that is why he had adamantium on his skin instead of bones,,, also ignoring the fact that he wanted logan's adamantium so he could have both since he had learned the bonding process secret.
But did'nt they also take the adamantium off him to get Wolverines Adamantium claws back....i remember reading that somewhere.
genesis of the darkriders cable's son did try to bond cyber's adamantium to wolverine but wolverine fought the procedure and pushed the adamantium out of his body which caused him to go feral and lose his intelligence.. so wolverine never recieved the adamantium.
wolverine got it back when apocalypse kidnapped him and turned him into death
anyways genesis used mutated deathwatch beetles to strip the adamantium from cyber's body..
they were flying super Paranas that ate him alive they got in by eating him through the face and then from the inside out.
but what about it? is that suppose to prove in your opinion that cyber didnt have a HF ?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
genesis of the darkriders cable's son did try to bond cyber's adamantium to wolverine but wolverine fought the procedure and pushed the adamantium out of his body which caused him to go feral and lose his intelligence.. so wolverine never recieved the adamantium.
That must have been it
that suppose to prove in your opinion that cyber didnt have a HF ?
I never said that...
Originally posted by Deadline
You got to be shittin me, you wanna whine about minor shit like that? Damn you guys mus get wound up easily then. Classic case of IACB (Its a comicbook!!!!)
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
again it isnt a retcon it was simply ignored and given a second version of his origin even if it was perpetuated into other titles it doesnt make it okay..might as well have certain characters power changed inexplicably and have it continuously happen in other titles and appearances and say see thats his power b/c its happening everywhere.. that doesnt make it okay.
DCU does this alot with its characters which is why their powers and origins and even names change and why they have to have actual company sponsored retcons and not just a single writer's retcon/take on the character in order to fix the mistakes "he" caused and effected the character history and many others indirectly..
and yes DC does tend to ignore the problems for a decade or two b4 they acknowledge it.
agian tell me again what company sponsored event corrected superboys origin? was it infinite crisis? or hypertime or zero hour? i can tell you it was none of them..
thats like me saying batman's name mysteriously changed to robert and no one explains why but it goes on for 10 yrs..
or batman's parents killer was joker in a flash back but doesnt answer how that could be when we know it wasnt..
you don't need to have a big event to retcon something. geoff johns took over teen titans and wanted to change his origin, so he did. it was one thing, then it was changed. that's a retcon. even if you don't like it, it still qualifies.
DC doesn't really do it that much. The thing they're most guilty of is ignoring power levels in some of their writing, but both companies do that anyway.
those examples don't really count, tbh.
Originally posted by Deadline
You got to be shittin me, you wanna whine about minor shit like that? Damn you guys mus get wound up easily then. Classic case of IACB (Its a comicbook!!!!)
😠 too right I'll complain. Comic book or no comic book, writers should have enough respect for readers, to NOT show characters exhibiting new unexplained powers, for the sake of a story.
Imagine if the following happened. Spiderman was surrounded by a load of his rogues gallery, and then (in a thought bubble) states "my only hope is the Spidersense mindout" With the artist depicting Spiderman's SS with the usual wavy lines emenating from Spidey's head, all the surrounding villains fall to the ground, holding their heads in agony, eventually passing out from the pain. Spidey has used his SS in an offensive move, causing excruciating headaches which render his foes unconscious.
If the above happened we would all be up in arms about how Marvel have lost the plot, because we know the SS doesn't work that way. Why should we believe that Bullseye, who is meant to be peak human, has super powered lungs that enable him to spit item out of his mouth with enough force to kill??
Originally posted by BUSTER1Man, that'd be AWESOME! 😆
Imagine if the following happened. Spiderman was surrounded by a load of his rogues gallery, and then (in a thought bubble) states "my only hope is the Spidersense mindout" With the artist depicting Spiderman's SS with the usual wavy lines emenating from Spidey's head, all the surrounding villains fall to the ground, holding their heads in agony, eventually passing out from the pain.
Originally posted by BUSTER1
If the above happened we would all be up in arms about how Marvel have lost the plot, because we know the SS doesn't work that way. Why should we believe that Bullseye, who is meant to be peak human, has super powered lungs that enable him to spit item out of his mouth with enough force to kill??
Didn't he flick that toothpick?
Originally posted by BUSTER1
I'm talking about a separate incident where Bullseye spat -not flicked or threw-but SPAT one of his own teeth at another man's head, killing him. Bullseye's own breath was the only means of proplusion for this particular projectile.
i understand that's a real "oh, come on" moment, but was that really enough to get you to stop reading bullseye-centric stories, or to stop reading that author's work?
i agree with the whole new power lvls that go unexplained.
my real problm really started with DC comics on that point.. i enjoyed the comics in the 80's and 90's but, after a while mid 90's i started to notice a competition between DC character powers and marvel's character powers. it became petty and dishonest and it seemed to originate more from DC then marvel and also was extremely mean spirited at times.
i mean if a marvel character did something then a few months later a DC story where a character did the same and surpassed even though DC made it inexplicably clear at the time no more asinine feats b/c of the inconsistencies they caused and b/c it would undo their company sponsored retcons where characters were put back at a moderate lvl of power.
example:
Sue and thor contain a nuclear blast soon a green lantern kyle contains a nuclear bomb although ambient struggling.. the caption clearly shows and states that it takes all his concentration and will to pull such a feat also the ring reaching its power limit.. but it seems to tail marvel feats not really bothered by it. but, a few yrs later the nuke feat isn't enough now you have him containing supernova lvl energies and the ring no longer seems to possess its energy limit it once had.
superman on panel takes a blast and scientist comment how the blast can shatter adamantium easily and superman isnt even bothered by it.. hmm.. did a rival company really need to make such a statement, now ppl try to use that as an argument for battles?
another is superman stops a prison riot where suspiciously many of the criminals seem to resemble marvel heroes. superman flies in and single handedly stops them all including the abstract cosmic ones all while making fun of the characters and how weak they really are through slapstick..
it comes down to DC never being able to stay consistent nor respect the retcons that were put in for a reason to stop the foolishness of altering origins and powers.,
it would be like if marvel did and operated the way DC does captain america would have had genetic altering in a flash back and instead of drinking the serum he was injected and operated ultimate style. fans would be up in arms.... if that isnt enough if a writer said that it was red skull who was actually his father.. ppl would be screaming to have the writer fired and marvel be tying hard to change back the story or find a way to dismiss it as non canon..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i agree with the whole new power lvls that go unexplained.my real problm really started with DC comics on that point.. i enjoyed the comics in the 80's and 90's but, after a while mid 90's i started to notice a competition between DC character powers and marvel's character powers. it became petty and dishonest and it seemed to originate more from DC then marvel and also was extremely mean spirited at times.
i mean if a marvel character did something then a few months later a DC story where a character did the same and surpassed even though DC made it inexplicably clear at the time no more asinine feats b/c of the inconsistencies they caused and b/c it would undo their company sponsored retcons where characters were put back at a moderate lvl of power.
example:
Sue and thor contain a nuclear blast soon a green lantern kyle contains a nuclear bomb although ambient struggling.. the caption clearly shows and states that it takes all his concentration and will to pull such a feat also the ring reaching its power limit.. but it seems to tail marvel feats not really bothered by it. but, a few yrs later the nuke feat isn't enough now you have him containing supernova lvl energies and the ring no longer seems to possess its energy limit it once had.
superman on panel takes a blast and scientist comment how the blast can shatter adamantium easily and superman isnt even bothered by it.. hmm.. did a rival company really need to make such a statement, now ppl try to use that as an argument for battles?
another is superman stops a prison riot where suspiciously many of the criminals seem to resemble marvel heroes. superman flies in and single handedly stops them all including the abstract cosmic ones all while making fun of the characters and how weak they really are through slapstick..
it comes down to DC never being able to stay consistent nor respect the retcons that were put in for a reason to stop the foolishness of altering origins and powers.,
it would be like if marvel did and operated the way DC does captain america would have had genetic altering in a flash back and instead of drinking the serum he was injected and operated ultimate style. fans would be up in arms.... if that isnt enough if a writer said that it was red skull who was actually his father.. ppl would be screaming to have the writer fired and marvel be tying hard to change back the story or find a way to dismiss it as non canon..
are you serious?
most of that isn't even true.
Manchester black was screwing with superman and had help. manchester caused a prison riot where suspiciously a female galactus was being kept. she was like i must feed the hunger.. superman hovered right up to her and said dont do that and then flew right through her and knocked her out..
then another inmate was a watcher who was standing in the corner of the page monoloqing saying how he has borne witness to thousand things and supe flies up and tells him to be quiet and right hooks ko's him.
anyways the adamantium crap where they said supes was taking blast that would shatter adamantium is in his respect thread,.. and their are dozens and i mean dozens of these types of example where DC pokes fun of marvel characters in a purposely mean spirited way..
and the mid 90's was when it seemed to be a race to get DC characters back up to their asinine power lvls pre crisis which coincided with similar feats that marvel had perform making sure DC characters performed superior to the marvel counterpart.
now this is what i noticed.. i gave some examples and it is my opinion it is not a lie or how you put it not true... you just dont have to agree. 😇