Originally posted by Black bolt z
Which hurts more?Being punched by an 18 year old or a 15 year old with brass knuckles?Spiderman has more strength but wolvie as the equivelent of brass knuckles made of adamantium.
So Petes punches are more likely to knock someone out, but with less superficial damage.
Originally posted by jinzinvenom's never ohko spiderman, and venom is FAR stronger than logan in punching
😕The last 2/3 times that Rhino has gotten his mitts on Spiderman he's nearly killed him. Especially relivent when he became smart.
Venom? Venom has on dozens of occassions knocked Spiderman through loops with a few blows. In Maximum Carnage one shot from Venom sent Spiderman hurdling over the nearby park trees and into a KO.
And what kind of logic is this? Spiderman can take punches from yadda yadda... but he KO's Logan? Do we even need to BEGIN referencing the punches Wolverine has taken without issue?
its not even comparable
also, venom evades spidersense
Originally posted by SamZED
Sure, but Spider-man would stil never go all out on anyone who doesnt have a hf and even then would most likely still hold back, he even holds back when he fights Green Goblin. There's a big difference between "normal Spider-man", "pissed off Spider-man" and "going all out Spider". Normal Spider-man has trouble with Daredevil, Taskmaster, Bullseye. Pissed off Spider-man already oneshotted Daredevil, Taskmaster and Bullseye. Not to mention what he did to Kingpin. Going all out he'd be punching their heads off without getting hit once.
"The Other" Spidey humiliated KP, not post-OMD one 🙂
And Logan going all out would be cutting everyone in half biscuits
Originally posted by SamZED
Sorry, man, dont have access to all my books right now. Randomly checked few new avengers and Wolverine books in 73 there are two panels showing him getting shot by a thug and getting gutted by someone, in new avengers getting shot by some ninja stars. The key thing is - Logan gets injured all the time, about as often as Deadpool. They rarely get into a fight without eating a few wounds that'd be lethal to say Daredeviil. Suggesting that he does it on purpose all the time wouldn't be correct. But that doesnt mean that he's slower. It just means that writers have him get wounded because they know he can take it. But when we debate in vs forum we use his top speed and not low showings. Same should apply to Spider-man.
#73? You mean the panels that were out of context? What I wanted to see was Logan doing evasive maneuvers and failing.
New Avengers... off-panel. Could be cheapshots, considering how many ninjas there were. Spidey didn't fare well in that fight with Hand either, the only guy that was kicking ass was Clint.
They don't care so much about getting hit anymore, they're used to it. And it's better to wade through the attacks and get the guy, faster. But I get what you're saying. Showing HFs in action sells the books.
Originally posted by SamZED
There are the once I mentioned above, he's also snapped superhuman's neck to 180' with a punch once, kicked Cable's head through a wall, kicked zombie's head off etc etc. Taskmaster and Cable on many occasions commented how powerful his punches are, dont recall Tasky saying that even about Cap's punches. DP's are definitely close to Logan's.I know logically it should be the case, but the thing is, writers dont care about it. It's also true about speed, Logan was said to be faster without the adamantium, yet his best speed feats were performed when his skeleton was bonded to the metal. It's just not a factor in comicbooks.
Hmm..I dont remember Logan fighting Pete in civies after the cemetry. imo it was clear Logan was going for the stab
I thought Spidey ripped off Iron Man mask. He later punched a hole in it? Really? Kinda funny considering he busted his knuckle when he hit it first.
Maybe now they don't, but they did in the past. I wanted to talk about punching feats only (Wolverine knocked Hulk on his ass with a kick, btw). The feats you listed aren't that impressive save KOing Titania.
Originally posted by BUSTER1No.Spidey with mroe strength but wolvie has more weight and his fist is much harder behind his hit.He's also not exactly unskilled or out of shape himself.Take away his adamantium and HF and he's still peak human.
So Petes punches are more likely to knock someone out, but with less superficial damage.
Originally posted by jinzinExactly.
Spiderman doesn't know how to thorw punches like a seasoned fighter, he swings for the fences. Wolverine has training that hones his power to a far greater effect.Spiderman hits harder.. but not much harder.
Originally posted by jinzinI gave you an example of what a pissed Spidey is capable of, I don't know what in your eyes "attaining his potential" means for this fight cause your guys main excuse is his CIS wich in other words just means he holds back against Logan while Logan goes all out.
really? Your evidence that Parker will attain his potential over the course of a single fight is based on him jumping and incidently beating up on Rhino?Really?
Originally posted by jinzinAnd here we have the "killer argument" again, the skills that can crumble a sun if hit it's nerve and to think Spider-man doesn't know "how to throw a punch" in a history of over 40 years where he took on large amounts of several threats is just plain ignorant... Most forms of MA would just contradict with his way of fighting its like a weightlifter suddenly tries pole vault.
Spiderman doesn't know how to thorw punches like a seasoned fighter, he swings for the fences. Wolverine has training that hones his power to a far greater effect.Spiderman hits harder.. but not much harder.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
I gave you an example of what a pissed Spidey is capable of, I don't know what in your eyes "attaining his potential" means for this fight cause your guys main excuse is his CIS wich in other words just means he holds back against Logan while Logan goes all out.
Him getting pissed off and laying his mitts on a jobber and an unsuspecting one at that is not quantifiable proof that he'll attain his potential in one fight. Wanna post what happened when Petey tried that shit on Daredevil?
Originally posted by Parmaniacsoooooooo..... Spiderman swings for the fences... exactly.
And here we have the "killer argument" again, the skills that can crumble a sun if hit it's nerve and to think Spider-man doesn't know "how to throw a punch" in a history of over 40 years where he took on large amounts of several threats is just plain ignorant... Most forms of MA would just contradict with his way of fighting its like a weightlifter suddenly tries pole vault.
