Originally posted by Zampanó
What an interesting group of posters.http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.php?p=4896642&postcount=15
Edit: Oh, and the account of events that ares linked is unacceptable. I will not accept a retcon of KotOR II as canon.
I finally got around to reading that link, and god what a pleasure. This guy should have been writing this book. Fvck Drew to death with a hot knife and put this guy in charge.
Thanks for the link Zam. You guys should read this, its really interesting.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I finally got around to reading that link, and god what a pleasure. This guy should have been writing this book. Fvck Drew to death with a hot knife and put this guy in charge.Thanks for the link Zam. You guys should read this, its really interesting.
My eyes are hurting from small text atm. Paraphrase for me? I'll try to read it later.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Hey Gid, was this what you were talking about with Mara knowing more about the Force than Luke?Really interesting. Color me intriqued. Zahn seems like he really gets it.
Yep, because it makes more sense for the chick trained by THE Dark Lord of the Sith to know more about restraint than Luke.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
My eyes are hurting from small text atm. Paraphrase for me? I'll try to read it later.
I can't summerise it without making it sound hokey, but I'll try.
The True Sith that Kreia was talking about aren't the sith running around in lightsabers and spaceships, but rather the True Sith is basically the very concept of self. The True Sith are the darkside in all of us.
Read it in the morning or something. It sounds better when he says it.
Originally posted by ares834
Yep, because it makes more sense of rhte chick trained by THE Dark Lord of the Sith to know more about restraint than Luke.
Mara wasn't a Sith and Palpatine didn't train her to be one. I don't see why its totally implausible that she'd be more knowledgable than Noobass Luke about these things.
Besides, wheres your suspension of disbelief? As long as its well written you can forgive a story a lot of things.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Mara wasn't a Sith and Palpatine didn't train her to be one. I don't see why its totally implausible that she'd be more knowledgable than Noobass Luke about these things.
Why would Palpatine train his assassin to use restraint? It doesn't make any sense.
Besides, wheres your suspension of disbelief? As long as its well written you can forgive a story a lot of things.
I didn't like the Thrawn Duology though. And no, I don't suspend my disbelief for shear stupidity. Having Mara Jade not use the dark side of the force was pushing it IMO.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Janus, I hate you a little bit right now. A little bit. uhuh
It's okay, I feed on the negative emotions.
How does that make me wrong in my assertion that TFU outsold KOTOR?
Neph was pointing out that KotOR was near top of its class while TFU was most certainly not in the same league of its class, sales numbers being irrelevant because the point was KotOR performed better given its class (RPG versus action), its limited distribution (Majority of sales appear to be Xbox, PC sales are difficult to find, possibly negligent), and it received accolades.
"Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic received strong praise, along with high critical acclaim. KotOR won numerous awards, including Game Developers Choice Awards' 2004 game of the year,[33] BAFTA Games Awards' best Xbox game of the year, and Interactive Achievement Awards for best console RPG and best computer RPG.[34]"
versus
"The Force Unleashed won a Writers Guild of America award for Best Video Game Writing.[110]"
TFU was faster selling and sold less than 400k more for Xbox 360 (which as a console sold more games than Xbox), but KotOR won more awards. You can take that how you will, really, depending on your agenda.
I can't summerise it without making it sound hokey, but I'll try.The True Sith that Kreia was talking about aren't the sith running around in lightsabers and spaceships, but rather the True Sith is basically the very concept of self. The True Sith are the darkside in all of us.
Read it in the morning or something. It sounds better when he says it.
The impression I got from Kreia is that the True Sith were Sith refugees who lived beyond known space. The idea of them being metaphors, if it was intended, was not well conveyed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He makes a convincing argument. Kreia clearly says that the True Sith are a belief.
She says the Sith is a belief. Furthermore she calls the True Sith an Empire and that Revan, despite following Sith beliefs, was not one of them. Anyway, I'm not saying it is a bad theory, but simply that it was not Avellone's intention.
Originally posted by ares834
She says the Sith is a belief. Furthermore she calls the True Sith an Empire and that Revan, despite following Sith beliefs, was not one of them. Anyway, I'm not saying it is a bad theory, but simply that it was not Avellone's intention.
And yet Revan told all his badass friends to fvck off when he went to fight it. Do you not think they would be helpful in a fight against an entire empire?
"Do you get what she's saying? Where is elsewhere? What is the way? (Bear in mind that I consider it highly implausible that Kreia's statement that Revan will need 'warriors' could apply to any conventional war. She also says that Revan 'left the Ebon Hawk and all its machines behind, for he knew he would not need them', and we are well aware of how Revan left behind some of his greatest warriors, Carth and Canderous, for they could not follow the paths he had to tread.)"
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Well now I know you're trolling, so consider yourself cut off from the supply of hatred. uhuh
Not trolling, just feeding on your angah.
Anyway, I'm not saying it is a bad theory, but simply that it was not Avellone's intention.
Avellone's original intents though have been changed, even before the game was released. Originally, Nihilus was going to be a dark shade of the male exile, and Kreia was going to be Brianna aka the Handmaiden's mother.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseNeph was pointing out that KotOR was near top of its class while TFU was most certainly not in the same league of its class, sales numbers being irrelevant because the point was KotOR performed better given its class (RPG versus action), its limited distribution (Majority of sales appear to be Xbox, PC sales are difficult to find, possibly negligent), and it received accolades.
"Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic received strong praise, along with high critical acclaim. KotOR won numerous awards, including Game Developers Choice Awards' 2004 game of the year,[33] BAFTA Games Awards' best Xbox game of the year, and Interactive Achievement Awards for best console RPG and best computer RPG.[34]"
versus
"The Force Unleashed won a Writers Guild of America award for Best Video Game Writing.[110]"
TFU was faster selling and sold less than 400k more for Xbox 360 (which as a console sold more games than Xbox), but KotOR won more awards. You can take that how you will, really, depending on your agenda.
The problem with comparing them in that sense is the Xbox is notorious for having an underwhelming RPG library, unlike the playstation. So in that sense, being the #2 Xbox RPG is a little like winning the special Olympics... metaphorically speaking.