Is anyone interested in Star Wars the Old Republic?

Originally posted by Nephthys
And yet Revan told all his badass friends to fvck off when he went to fight it. Do you not think they would be helpful in a fight against an entire empire?

The idea that Revan is battling his inner darkness in the unknown regions is actually very cool and makes sense (I'll talk about this later). But the fact that there is an unknown danger lurking out in the Unknown Regions was forced upon us KotOR 2, hell I also seem to recall Canderous mentioning the Sith asked them to battle the Republic and that something in the unknown regions changed Revan in the original KotOR.

Just read the link. Its cool.

"The problem with this line of thought is if the Sith are a physical threat as in you can say "In the parameters x, y, z we will find the Sith" why was Revan abandoning the Republic or his own Sith Empire to take them on his own?

If you have an enormous physical force and can bring it to bear on a physical threat, do so! Don't go off on your own.

Ahem, the line about Revan abandoning his droids and companions because he knew he would not need them certainly suggests it is not a physical threat or at least not just a physical threat"

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It doesn't make any sense for an assassin to use [cross]subtlety and[/cross] restraint?

Not a Sith Lord's, no. Examples: Galen Marek, Ventress, Darth Maul, almost every other one of the Emperor's hands, etc...

Revan felt he alone was prepared to take the fight to the emperor and he was pretty successful during his time in the prison.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Just read the link. Its cool.

I did. It's a cool theory but one that I think is wrong (prior to TOR)

"The problem with this line of thought is if the Sith are a physical threat as in you can say "In the parameters x, y, z we will find the Sith" why was Revan abandoning the Republic or his own Sith Empire to take them on his own?

I don't know. Revan was always a man to take the Galaxy's weight on to his own shoulders. Plus he did begin to create an army to defend against the True Sith Empire.... His Sith Empire.

Originally posted by ares834
[B]Galen Marek, Ventress, Darth Maul, almost every other one of the Emperor's hands. . .

Ergo... Palpatine obviously learned a lesson in regards to making a competent assassin.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
The problem with comparing them in that sense is the Xbox is notorious for having an underwhelming RPG library, unlike the playstation. So in that sense, being the #2 Xbox RPG is a little like winning the special Olympics... metaphorically speaking.

And yet KotOR won awards for RPG of the year, not just Xbox. It was second best selling on Xbox though, which is yet another point in its favor.

Which was the whole point. If more sales was the whole point, Enter the Matrix would stomp both games.

excellent

Now that it has been established and accepted by the opposition that TFU outsold KotOR, we can return to the original discussion which is that I have decided that I am unlikely to purchase TOR.

The spoilers are unflattering and since storyline is one of two major elements for an MMO as far as I'm concerned, I doubt I will commit money to it.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
All ended up dying.

Ergo...

And Mara Jade dies as well.

Ergo...

Really, it just doesn't make sense. Sith Lords don't teach restraint they teach the opposite of restraint. And no, restraint won't help you in an assassination job in fact restraing yoursel will only make it easier to fail.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
excellent

Now that it has been established and accepted by the opposition that TFU outsold KotOR, we can return to the original discussion which is that I have decided that I am unlikely to purchase TOR.

The spoilers are unflattering and since storyline is one of two major elements for an MMO as far as I'm concerned, I doubt I will commit money to it.

I deliberately didn't read more into the spoiler materials I was given, because I intend to enjoy the game when it comes out. And because my enjoyment of the game isn't tied into it being KotOR III, I should be having fun.

My point was that The Force Unleashed outsold KOTOR. That point was contested by Neph.

As I said, I have no idea what you and Gideon's discussion is about. Hence, the justifications for why TFU outsold KOTOR are inconsequential to me. I know why TFU outsold KOTOR. It's because people like the idea of running around as an overpowered force user blowing shit up all over the place.

Originally posted by ares834
And Mara Jade dies as well.

Ergo...

Really, it just doesn't make sense. Sith Lords don't teach restraint they teach the opposite of restraint. And no, restraint won't help you in an assassination job in fact restraing yoursel will only make it easier to fail.

Really? You think the Hulk would make a better assassin than Batman?

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
excellent

Now that it has been established and accepted by the opposition that TFU outsold KotOR, we can return to the original discussion which is that I have decided that I am unlikely to purchase TOR.

The spoilers are unflattering and since storyline is one of two major elements for an MMO as far as I'm concerned, I doubt I will commit money to it.

Originally posted by ares834
I don't know. Revan was always a man to take the Galaxy's weight on to his own shoulders. Plus he did begin to create an army to defend against the True Sith Empire.... His Sith Empire.

Yeah, like when he attacked the Mandalorians by himself and kicked their asses single-hande- oh wait!

Which he used to attack the True Si- oh wait!

Don't neglect context here. Mara's training instilled subtlety and restraint in certain methods for certain scenarios. Luke muses in Sacrifice that Palpatine tutored Mara and Lumiya, two Emperor's Hands, to think deeply and critically with "layer upon layer" of calculation. But when the time came to strike, I'm inclined to believe restraint went by the wayside.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Really? You think the Hulk would make a better assassin than Batman?

Hulk also lacks subtlety...

But if Batman didn't restrain himself from killing and went all out all the time he would be better than he currently is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, like when he attacked the Mandalorians by himself and kicked their asses single-hande- oh wait!

Which he used to attack the True Si- oh wait!

Not sure what this is directed at... Can you be more specific? Regardless, Revan, according to Kreia, created an entire Empire to defend against the True Sith.

DS
Only once you admit you've been getting your ass handed to you today🙂

Why admit that which hasn't happened? stoned

DS
Oh, and the outselling was never a question, regardless of your incorrect context.

Better point that out to your current pitcher. 😬
{I'm so jealous. Threesome? Foursome, if we count Neph?}

Originally posted by ares834
Hulk also lacks subtelty....

Restraint and subtlety go hand in hand. If you lack self-restraint you're never going to achieve the ability to make subtle actions.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
My point was that The Force Unleashed outsold KOTOR. That point was contested by Neph.

Erm, no it wasn't. Neph pointed out the obvious, that RPGs tend to sell less than action games and that KotOR was higher ranked among its "peers" than TFU was. I further commented that TFU's sales was irrelevant to any kind of comparison among the two, because TFU had worse reviews. And again, Enter the Matrix sold 2.3 million and sucked worse than both.

/debate.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Restraint and subtlety go hand in hand. If you lack self-restraint you're never going to achieve the ability to make subtle actions.

Completely disagree. Palpatine was perhaps the most subtle character in the films. Yet do you think he practiced self restraint while in battle? The answer is an obvious no.