Originally posted by leonidas
how the phukc did this turn into ww vs superman--again?? one of the things that think i'll drop into the suggestion box is simple--keep threads more closely on track. seriously, it's an ancient argument that has it's own thread....geezus h...
Because of Injustice.
Don't worry. Hopefully, Batffleck will kill Supercavill in BvS, maybe that will silence Superman fans.
Originally posted by Surtur
Silence? It would be hilarious if Battfleck did that.But anyways, I think KK wins via precision strikes. Super karate precision strikes.
KKs don't really beat full herald bricks even with precision strikes, even ones less skilled and with slower reflexes than WW. They normally just hold them off.
Originally posted by Q99
KKs don't really beat full herald bricks even with precision strikes, even ones less skilled and with slower reflexes than WW. They normally just hold them off.
Actually, Val has beaten Superboy in the past.. Not the version of Val in this thread, but PC Val has.
As we've already established, WW has "somewhat" of a weakness to piercing damage. Therefore, a precision strike has more of a chance of affecting her then it would a Daxamite or Kryptonian.
Personally, I don't think Mantis would be able to KO a Daxamite or Kryptonian with the exact same nerve pinch she used on Thor, either, because of the differences in how their durability works (Thor's taken scratches and various superficial injuries that I can't see Mon El or Superman taking..)
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think you know better than Greg Rucka?It's more stupid than the bracers. At least there is precedence of Superman being able to harm her through her bracers like in WW 175.You can't hide from Superman's senses by slowing down your heart or winds blowing or some shit.
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Originally posted by cdtm
Actually, Val has beaten Superboy in the past.. Not the version of Val in this thread, but PC Val has.As we've already established, WW has "somewhat" of a weakness to piercing damage. Therefore, a precision strike has more of a chance of affecting her then it would a Daxamite or Kryptonian.
Personally, I don't think Mantis would be able to KO a Daxamite or Kryptonian with the exact same nerve pinch she used on Thor, either, because of the differences in how their durability works (Thor's taken scratches and various superficial injuries that I can't see Mon El or Superman taking..)
if mantis can, than moondragon can as well, since she beat mantis. neither has close to the feats of val.
Originally posted by leonidas
if mantis can, than moondragon can as well, since she beat mantis. neither has close to the feats of val.
Do you think a Mantis nerve attack would work on, say, Gladiator?
The thing is, you're right in that Val's never KOed Superboy or a Daxamite, and only held them off.. He wasn't even able to KO Persuader with a straight punch. Yet, punching a chunk of metal off a pillar into his face KOed him. Funny how that works. 🙄
Originally posted by cdtm
Actually, Val has beaten Superboy in the past.. Not the version of Val in this thread, but PC Val has.
Didn't he just BFR him with a super-judo throw?
And that was Superboy, who wasn't very skilled and walked in to thing. I don't think that'd work on Superman or Wonder Woman's level of skill.
Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think a Mantis nerve attack would work on, say, Gladiator?The thing is, you're right in that Val's never KOed Superboy or a Daxamite, and only held them off.. He wasn't even able to KO Persuader with a straight punch. Yet, punching a chunk of metal off a pillar into his face KOed him. Funny how that works. 🙄
Gladiator's race is actually vulnerable to specific nerve strikes.
As shown when Wolverine one-shotted his son.
Originally posted by Q99
Didn't he just BFR him with a super-judo throw?And that was Superboy, who wasn't very skilled and walked in to thing. I don't think that'd work on Superman or Wonder Woman's level of skill.
Basically spun him around like a top, and had him take out other Legion members in the process.
True about Superboys inexperience. In fact, he faced a much earlier version of the Legion, from before he even joined the group.
Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think a Mantis nerve attack would work on, say, Gladiator?The thing is, you're right in that Val's never KOed Superboy or a Daxamite, and only held them off.. He wasn't even able to KO Persuader with a straight punch. Yet, punching a chunk of metal off a pillar into his face KOed him. Funny how that works. 🙄
i wouldn't be surprised if it worked on glads. it would be dumb, and he should be more than fast enough to avoid it, but i wouldn't be surprised. now, would it work on hulk....? can't see that happening at all... can't see a modern day val doing it to a modern day superman either though.
Originally posted by cdtm
Basically spun him around like a top, and had him take out other Legion members in the process.True about Superboys inexperience. In fact, he faced a much earlier version of the Legion, from before he even joined the group.
Right. That stuff is possible against a really inexperienced brick, but Wonder Woman is anything but.
For the hell of it, here's his second fight with the Fatal Five I was talking about:
The things that stand out for me, are the fact he couldn't really hurt Persuader by punching him, but he could KO him with a metal that may as well be cardboard for all the effort it's taking him.
That, and Val dodged Validus's mental lightning. That's a big time speed feat, as Superboy and Mon El both couldn't avoid it.
His fight with Superboy coming... I realize this isn't the Val in this thread, but just trying to make a point about how Val's normally portrayed across all his incarnations..
