Ok, so in both of these fights Val shows off almost the entire spectrum of speed brick powers.. He shows Flash/Kryptonian level speed, strength and what not.
I mean, look at that hold he has Superboy in. It's laughable that someone with no super powers could not only restrain him, but use him as a human shield and spin him around like a top against his will.
So why can't he KO him with a normal punch? Or Persuader, for that matter?
This isn't something that's changed across versions.. Val's NEVER been able to really hurt anyone with invulnerability, despite all his showings saying he should be capable of it. Equus is more the exception, then the rule.
Anyways, I'll leave off with this:
Just because Robin punched through diamond. 😂
I'll just put this in here, in case anyones wondering how impressed they should be that Val defeated Persuader:
Even working together, Mon El and Superboy were struggling with him, and you can see Persuader holding off Mon El 1 vs 1. (It's also not the first time he's cut through gravity, showing off the power of that axe.)
So he's a pretty formidable brick, if not quite on their level, or anywhere near Validus's.
Didn't Mantis trip the Runner? And for my money, wave riding out Thanos's energy attack is as impressive as any feat from a MAer.
In terms of wins though, manhandling PC Superboy is hard to top.. You can argue he didn't actually knock him out with a strike, but the way he did take him out (And Cham confirmed it had "knocked the stuffing out of him"😉, as if he was a 98 lb weakling instead of a planet juggler is pretty absurd.
for my part, i don't much care for val. his abilities are too largely based on pis imo. i mean i don't hate the character, but he is wanked more than he should be in many cases. he likely is better than any other ma, but, again, that IS his super power, so he likely SHOULD be. saying he's the best ma, and saying he's taking down high heralds like they are going out of style is something completely different though. i just prefer realistic views of characters that take into account more than just their highest feats--and certainly more than pre-crisis silliness, examples of which are practically endless....
really? i've not seen much logan wank in the last...well, quite a while tbh. hulk? well, yeah. but in hulk's defense, he does have some pretty crazy feats the last couple years especially. and he is a herald.... gamora? really? again, maybe i don't look at enough of her threads, but she gets a little luv but nothing that goes overboard that i've seen. she's had some sh!tty showings lately anyway.... again, maybe it's just me though.
Originally posted by leonidas
for my part, i don't much care for val. his abilities are too largely based on pis imo. i mean i don't hate the character, but he is wanked more than he should be in many cases. he likely is better than any other ma, but, again, that IS his super power, so he likely SHOULD be. saying he's the best ma, and saying he's taking down high heralds like they are going out of style is something completely different though. i just prefer realistic views of characters that take into account more than just their highest feats--and certainly more than pre-crisis silliness, examples of which are practically endless....
His abilities are based on super karate not pis. I don't find it much sillier then anything else in DC. People take Batman seriously, with the "he is only human". Well, Karate Kid is Batman on super space steroids.
It might not make sense, but who am I to say future karate doesn't allow you to dodge things after they hit you? I can't prove you can't use future karate to do that.
Originally posted by leonidas
really? i've not seen much logan wank in the last...well, quite a while tbh. hulk? well, yeah. but in hulk's defense, he does have some pretty crazy feats the last couple years especially. and he is a herald.... gamora? really? again, maybe i don't look at enough of her threads, but she gets a little luv but nothing that goes overboard that i've seen. she's had some sh!tty showings lately anyway.... again, maybe it's just me though.
Iron Fist? 😮
Of course, some people totally deserve their wanking. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
how the phukc did this turn into ww vs superman--again?? one of the things that think i'll drop into the suggestion box is simple--keep threads more closely on track. seriously, it's an ancient argument that has it's own thread....geezus h...
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeSadly and ironically for you, truer words have never been spoken. kinda
👆 Tards are the answer to this question.
Originally posted by cdtm
For the hell of it, here's his second fight with the Fatal Five I was talking about:http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/126%20Adventure%20Comics%20378%2012_zpsm4oboy6p.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/126%20Adventure%20Comics%20378%2013_zps7ppr3hlj.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/126%20Adventure%20Comics%20378%2014_zpsbb8plytp.jpg.htmlhttp://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/126%20Adventure%20Comics%20378%2015_zpsytkuu0qx.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/126%20Adventure%20Comics%20378%2017_zpsnxqutyw6.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/126%20Adventure%20Comics%20378%2018_zpsifd5wbax.jpg.htmlThe things that stand out for me, are the fact he couldn't really hurt Persuader by punching him, but he could KO him with a metal that may as well be cardboard for all the effort it's taking him.
That, and Val dodged Validus's mental lightning. That's a big time speed feat, as Superboy and Mon El both couldn't avoid it.
His fight with Superboy coming... I realize this isn't the Val in this thread, but just trying to make a point about how Val's normally portrayed across all his incarnations..
Originally posted by cdtm
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2012-16_zpsm9mjgggn.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2013-01_zpslas7iqhf.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2012-17_zpsmbowlidd.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2013-02_zpslreldtag.jpg.htmlhttp://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2013-03_zpsiyi4njcn.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2013-04_zpsngba3btt.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2013-05_zpszyphucku.jpg.html
Originally posted by cdtm
Ok, so in both of these fights Val shows off almost the entire spectrum of speed brick powers.. He shows Flash/Kryptonian level speed, strength and what not.I mean, look at that hold he has Superboy in. It's laughable that someone with no super powers could not only restrain him, but use him as a human shield and spin him around like a top against his will.
So why can't he KO him with a normal punch? Or Persuader, for that matter?
This isn't something that's changed across versions.. Val's NEVER been able to really hurt anyone with invulnerability, despite all his showings saying he should be capable of it. Equus is more the exception, then the rule.
Anyways, I'll leave off with this:
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2014-16_zpsgdgmvcdx.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/karate%20kid%2014-17_zpst0m0ygrs.jpg.htmlJust because Robin punched through diamond. 😂
Originally posted by cdtmYou realize that none of your scans that you posted was Zero Hour Karate Kid?
I'll just put this in here, in case anyones wondering how impressed they should be that Val defeated Persuader:http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/LSuperboy%20amp%20LSH%20231-11_zpsow7pbs3u.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/LSuperboy%20amp%20LSH%20231-12_zpsa280b1f0.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/LSuperboy%20amp%20LSH%20231-13_zpspvk7w3hc.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CDTM3000/media/LSuperboy%20amp%20LSH%20231-23_zpsod3ubn5q.jpg.htmlEven working together, Mon El and Superboy were struggling with him, and you can see Persuader holding off Mon El 1 vs 1. (It's also not the first time he's cut through gravity, showing off the power of that axe.)
So he's a pretty formidable brick, if not quite on their level, or anywhere near Validus's.
... not a single one.
I mean... seriously?
