Harry Potter Magic versus the Force (Army thread).....

Well there ya go.

Couldnt have said it any better than that.

All I can really add to it, at RJ, would be:

".....this is why you faaaaaaaaaaail."

Originally posted by dadudemon
So many things wrong with your post, man. Soooooo many things.

Who happened to be the grandson of the force AND that moment was simply PIS as Anakin wouldn't have fallen for that. 😐

It will not as it has never worked like that for anyone, however, the Magical users don't pose enough of a threat to push the limits. 😬

Wrong. Palps was a suspicious person. He killed his own master. That's literally the way of the Sith: kill your master and become the master.

Yet, he still read his thoughts. Odd. 😐

Right.......cause sensing the traits of an object, not an organism, is something the force can do all the time. facepalm

Yes, a Jedi that had 2 years of training when Jedi of the previous generation had about two decades of training before they reached his age.

Oh really? Luke knew that the emperor was strong and death was a high possability. Yoda even warned Luke.

You mean the OT.

Spurts and only spurts and only in a straight line. Anyone who says otherwise is a blind fanboy.

I don't see how running in a straight line is going to help in a duel. 😐

"Yes, a Jedi that had 2 years of training when Jedi of the previous generation had about two decades of training before they reached his age."

And, protego is not an energy barrier, it is a magical barrier.

Protego doesn't protect against the force, either, because the force is not magic.

OK then, the force does not block magic because magic is not the force. bong.

Protego is never shown on screen to block energy. It is never shown on screen to block physical objects, only magic. In fact, I have some major pwnage for you if you still believe protego even works. 😐

You might wanna watch the HP movies again. Three scenes:

In OOTP: death eaters try to fly to Hogwarts, and BAM they bounce off the shield surrounding it.

In THBP, a butterfly is shown bouncing off the shield surrounding hogwarts.

In OOTP, Dumbledore blocks the glass that Voldy tries to use on him.

Not sure that the shield charm surrounding Hogwarts is a protego? K.

So yeah, Protego IS shown blocking physical objects.

Oh man................ 😉

Coupla things, Quotes from Yoda:

"The shroud of the dark side has been lifted."

And

"The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is."

Interpret?

Firstly: Its "the shroud of the darkside has fallen."

And that was right: The bias of the force had gone toward the dark: Harder it got for lightsiders to see longterm outcomes far off in both space and time.

The second is the same answer.

Duh!

Ah, "longterm outcomes", you make that up yourself? So you saying now that the Jedi precog was not affected in Ep. 1, 2 or 3?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
PIS or no, it happened, therefore it stands.

Really now? They can apparate anywhere they want, can kill in an instant, can make huge ass walls of fiendfyre, can do things a Jedi can only dream of. Think again.

Mhm, and he didn't sense Vader. Wait, I already said that.

So now telepathy and precog are the same thing? lulz.

And he totally missed the fatc that Vader, Tarkin and and a buttload of stormtroopers were on board. AND the intent of the TIE pilot!!!!!!

Mhm.....And? Luke is in ROTJ form here, babe.

Right, but he didn't sense the ACT ITSELF.

Typo.

I saw that. And no, it was used once, by Obi and Qui Gon.

He can move side to side, jacko, and his saber attacks 🙄

"Mhm.....And? Luke is in ROTJ form here, babe."

Wizards dont even need protego here.

OK then, the force does not block magic because magic is not the force. bong.

You might wanna watch the HP movies again. Three scenes:

In OOTP: death eaters try to fly to Hogwarts, and BAM they bounce off the shield surrounding it.

In THBP, a butterfly is shown bouncing off the shield surrounding hogwarts.

In OOTP, Dumbledore blocks the glass that Voldy tries to use on him.

Not sure that the shield charm surrounding Hogwarts is a protego? K.

So yeah, Protego IS shown blocking physical objects.

Oh man................ 😉

And the force overrides physical matter. 😄 you fail, sir.

In none of your examples is an incident in which Protego overides the force. or any high energy blasters etc.

Also: people with crushed windpipes/larynx can't cast spells.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And the force overrides physical matter. 😄 you fail, sir.

In none of your examples is an incident in which Protego overides the force. or any high energy blasters etc.

Also: people with crushed windpipes/larynx can't cast spells.

And the force overrides protego.......how?

Blasters? A primitive weapon, Jedi dont use blasters.

Takes a while to choke them out. Apparate away. See. apparition, thats the deal breaker. When under attack, a wizard needs only apparate away. The only wizards in any real danger here are the ones who cannot apparate, and theres always side along apparition to solve that.

You see, no matter what the Jedi throw at the wizards, all the wizards have to do is.....you know....apparate away.

Need I list the spells again? How one by one Dumbledore can immobilize the Jedi? How the fiendfyre will overwhelm them? How CONFUNDUS will.....well, you know.

By being a force that controls the whole universe.

End of thread.

Wrong: Rewatch Revenge of the sith.

The second it starts, the victim is incapacitated. End thread.

Apparating away out of the universe...? I think not. See answer A

Dumbledore doenst get past the 1st Jedi, as he'll be choked/on fire/lightninged/blasted and then on more fire.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
By being a force that controls the whole universe.

End of thread.

Wrong: Rewatch Revenge of the sith.

The second it starts, the victim is incapacitated. End thread.

Apparating away out of the universe...? I think not. See answer A

Dumbledore doenst get past the 1st Jedi, as he'll be choked/on fire/lightninged/blasted and then on more fire.

So if a wizard is under a force choke, and they apparate half a world away, you are seriously implying that they STAY under influence of the force choke? crylaugh NOTHING suggests that in the movies. Vader force choking Ozzel from half a universe away, he knew right
where Ozzel was, so there goes your argument. AND if Ozzel had apparating powers and apparated to Hoth, the force choke would be broken. And no, a force attack will not keep a wizard from apparating. In the end, Apparating>>>force attacks.

Besides, only two can do force choke. Luke and Vader.

So no, when a wizard apparates out of a force choke, they are free of the force choke. Same with force pull/push/lightning.

edit

Yeah. why not? (especially if the wizard is caught before trying to do it.)

My argument isnt dead. Far from it....unlike the wizard thinking it can cast spells while being lightninged, choked, shot cut in half with lightsabers etc

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeah. why not? (especially if the wizard is caught before trying to do it.)

My argument isnt dead. Far from it....unlike the wizard thinking it can cast spells while being lightninged, choked, shot cut in half with lightsabers etc

For the millionth time, the wizards can apparate at will, and to anywhere. Force attacks won't work. Also, saber attacks are out, the wizards aren't gonna go toe to toe with them.

Force choke/pull/push/lightning, apparate away. Saber attack, the wizards wont allow it to get to that. In the end, the Jedi have nothing.

They have more that YOU do.

Dead wizards cant apparate.
And your theories on that ability have been destroyed in past debates by your fellow HP fans, just as your SW knowledge/arguments are picked apart constantly for having no basis in even fictional comic/movie debate reality.

If they project out of this universe, they cant kill the Jedi/Sith.

"Dead wizards can't" haermm "Just cuz!!!"

Apparate out of the universe? WTF are you talking about? "Anywhere they want" means "Anywhere in the world", I didn't think I needed to dumb that down for you. Guess I was wrong.

Funny thing though. The wizards who can cast fiendfyre can cast fiendfyre, apparate themselves and the others out, and wait for the fiendfyre to do the job while having a butterbeer in Hogsmeade. Sure, the Jedi can force push it away, but for how long? Even Jedi tire. Fiendfyre is conscious, it is sentient, and cannot be extinguished.

Have you got screenfeats showing dead, freshly murdered wizards showing ability to apparate...?

YOU dumb it down for ME...? LOL you pillock.

This from the guy who thinks that apparating anywhere on a world would save them form being killed by people who can fly across galaxies.... for all you know, Vader could still crush their throats from LA while they hide at hogwarts or vive versa....... clearly your first talking-to-people-outside-of-your-fairy-land head-rodeo, cowboy.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Have you got screenfeats showing dead, freshly murdered wizards showing ability to apparate...?

Dumb it down for ME...? You're the Texan, dude. 😛

This from the guy who thinks that apparating anywhere on a world would save them form being killed by people who can fly across galaxies.... for all you know, Vader could still crush their throats from LA while they hide at hogwarts or vive versa....... clearly your first talking-to-people-outside-of-your-fairy-land head-rodeo, cowboy.

Vader will be too busy fending off fiendfyre. Also, he can only attack one wizard at a time. If he is busy choking a Jedi, he cannot very well fend off feindfyre. 😄

More rubbish.

If the best you have is : "The wizards win cause I gimped the SW's onscreen craft and gave the wizards bulletproof immortality and inifinite travel" then I think we're all done here. 🙂

Everyone else: 12
RJ: Nil

Also: Just addressing this:

RJ misrepresented my argument AGAIN.... Choking, crushing dying assed wizards cant do shit whilst theyre being choked to death.....like everyone else Vader killed.
Didn't suggest that death itself was immediate...merely that once that badboy starts they wouldnt be doing anything except falling to the floor on their knees, desperately trying to breathe til death if Vader doesnt snap their necks right away, that is.

Vader might also be able to manipulate fiendfyre for all RJ knows too, with the forces all permeating properties.

So if a wizard is under a force choke, and they apparate half a world away, you are seriously implying that they STAY under influence of the force choke? NOTHING suggests that in the movies. Vader force choking Ozzel from half a universe away, he knew right
where Ozzel was, so there goes your argument

Are you suggesting that Vader knew exactly where he was standing in relation to him, down to the millimetre from halfway across the universe, so he knew exactly where to Force choke? I hope not. 😐

Ah, "longterm outcomes", you make that up yourself? So you saying now that the Jedi precog was not affected in Ep. 1, 2 or 3?

It was absolutely affected. Mace Windu himself says that their 'ability to use the Force' has diminished in ep2. Luckily, the source of this, Sidious, is on their side, so they will be superior to what they were in the movies.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you suggesting that Vader knew exactly where he was standing in relation to him, down to the millimetre from halfway across the universe, so he knew exactly where to Force choke? I hope not. 😐

It was absolutely affected. Mace Windu himself says that their 'ability to use the Force' has diminished in ep2. Luckily, the source of this, Sidious, is on their side, so they will be superior to what they were in the movies.

And no, high end feats only. What the force users did onscreen, no more.