Originally posted by jaden101
In the Clone wars, Jedi were shown to manipulate fire several times...Obi-wan did it against Durge, for example.
The television series or the cartoon? If it's the television series, then it is canon as it is produced by George Lucas. However, this is the movie discussion forum and correctly debating these times are not allowed: only movies. Even though it goes against everything that is considered kosher in Star Wars discussions and vs. threads, this is the MOVIE versus forum. You have to enter here without the typical Star Wars standard discussion styles only think "movies." I basically said the same damn thing in every sentence...what a waste of your time, actually.
Wait a second, even IF there were scene after scene after scene of the Jedi force pushing fire, did they ever force push FIENDFYRE? A magically cursed fire that is sentient, cannot be extinguished, and pursues it's intended victim without fail?
Nope....See what I mean with the feat nazi bullshit?
And here, the list of Force users:
Force team:
Darth Sidious
Darth Vader (ROTS to ROTJ)
Yoda
Mace Windu
Luke Skywalker (ROTJ)
Darth Maul
Qui Gon Jinn
Obi Wan Kenobi (ROTS)
Ki Adi Mundi
Aayla Secura
Plo Koon
Saesee Tinn
Sio Bibble
Depe Billaba
Eeth Koth
Count Dooku
Yaddle
Yarael Poof
Shaak Ti
Kit Fisto
I can count 5 to 6 who were never even shown in battle, who never drew their lightsaber, all they did was sit in the council room and look pretty. If we are gonna be feat nzais, then hey, that's all they can do. Just sit there and look pretty. Hell, only a few used force push, two used force choke, and two used force lightning. Not sure how many used force pull.
So what say you, fellas? What's it gonna be? Personally, I think we should go with my OP, this:
The wizards know what the force users can do, and the Jedi know what the wizards can do. Each side has 30 minutes prep time. There is no felix felicis potion around. Harry has his invisibility cloak. The wizards who cannot apparate alone have firebolts that they can accio when they wish.
EACH COMBATANT CAN USE ONLY WHAT POWERS THEY ARE SHOWN USING IN THEIR MOVIES. However, if one of the Jedi, for example, were never shown using force push/pull onscreen, they can still use it, because durh it is a basic Jedi power. On the other hand, if one of the wizards is never shown using a simple wizard spell (Protego, for example) they can use it, because again, durh, it is a basic wizard power. the Jedi/Sith/Wizard would not be where they are if they didn't know these simple powers.
Choose. My OP, or feat Naziism?
Originally posted by LanceWindu
Why are you even discussing fiendfyre? It has not been seen in the Harry Potter movies, therefore the point is moot!For all the rewriting we see from book to screen, we might never see the fiendfyre in the last Harry Potter movies.
In ALL of those scenes, it is not confirmed fiendfyre.
In the film adaptation of the Order of the Phoenix, Lord Voldemort, while in a duel with Albus Dumbledore, summons what appears to be Fiendfyre from the known description. However, it is currently unknown if this spell is meant to be a representation of the Fiendfyre spell, or of a different spell entirely.In the film adaptation of Half-Blood Prince, when the Death Eaters attack the Burrow, Bellatrix Lestrange possibly casts Fiendfyre as snake figures can be seen in the fire ring striking at Remus Lupin and Nymphadora Tonks who are attempting to contain the blaze.
The only time Fiendfyre is ever explicitly identified is in chapter thirty-one of Deathly Hallows.
Magic fire does not equal fiendfyre.
Not to mention, Albus Dumbledore would not cast fiendfyre in the cave, it is a Dark magic spell. It's cursed fire. Dumbledore doesn't use Dark magic.
Originally posted by LanceWinduThere's nothing else it could be, dude.
In ALL of those scenes, it is not confirmed fiendfyre.Magic fire does not equal fiendfyre.
Not to mention, Albus Dumbledore would not cast fiendfyre in the cave, it is a Dark magic spell. It's cursed fire. Dumbledore doesn't use Dark magic.
Regardless, it's a big ass ****in fire that dark wizards can use, fiendfyre or not. And, from the burrow vid, it is sentient and conscious.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If the Jedi were never shown force pushing fire in the movies, then no, they cannot force push fiendfyre. You guys wanna be feat Nazis about this thread? You have no idea the hole you are digging.
Well, YOU dont... clearly:
At no point were HP wizards EVER shown being able to have their magic successfully affecting a force user. Yet lightsabers/blasters cut everything.
Originally posted by LanceWindu
In ALL of those scenes, it is not confirmed fiendfyre.Magic fire does not equal fiendfyre.
Not to mention, Albus Dumbledore would not cast fiendfyre in the cave, it is a Dark magic spell. It's cursed fire. Dumbledore doesn't use Dark magic.
And now Hogwarts is totally f***ing pwned, via RJ's own rules.
Oh my god! The quarterback IS toast...!
Here, Ken:
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Fiendfyre
Fiendfyre (also known as cursed fire) is a type of fire made from Dark Magic. It is very powerful, as it cannot be put out by Aguamenti (or any normal type of water), but is very difficult for the caster to control. The blaze is so potent that Fiendfyre is one of the very few substances that are capable of destroying a Horcrux.
Fiendfyre initially appears a "roaring, billowing noise" and gives its victims only a moment's warning. Its flames are of abnormal size and take the shape of monsters and beasts, such as Snakes, Chimaeras, and dragons, continuously mutating. It appears to have enough consciousness to actually follow its intended victims. The fire will pursue nearby lifeforms as if it were alive itself, sentient, even the one who conjured it if they lack control. The fire will also pursue anything it can burn for more fuel and seems to incinerate anything through mere contact.
Now watch the vids, the paragraph above describes what is seen in the vid perfectly.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
YouTube video
It can be nothing but Fiendfyre. After all, force push/pull/choke/lightning is never called force push/pull/choke/lightning in the SW movies, but that's what we call them.
News flash, people. Death Eaters can cloak themselves ✅
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At around 2:24, the death eaters are flying around the bridge. Watch close as they go invisible. And at 2:50, as they turn from the bridge toward the sky, they reappear from being invisible. watch it two or three times to be if you must, it's there.
After watching it a few times carefully, and in slomo on my dvd, yes, they go invisible, or at least cloak themselves somehow.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The television series or the cartoon? If it's the television series, then it is canon as it is produced by George Lucas. However, this is the movie discussion forum and correctly debating these times are not allowed: only movies. Even though it goes against everything that is considered kosher in Star Wars discussions and vs. threads, this is the MOVIE versus forum. You have to enter here without the typical Star Wars standard discussion styles only think "movies." I basically said the same damn thing in every sentence...what a waste of your time, actually.
There was also The Clone Wars movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185834/
In case you've forgotten about it.