Borbarad
Advocatus Diaboli
@Lucien
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He's very good at that. Did you feel the same level of contemptuous rage while reading it as I did?
Contemptuous rage? My bad. By the way: You forgot to mention that English isn't my primary language, just to add the icing on the cake. 😛
@Nephthys
Originally posted by Nephthys
No he wasn't. The lightning quite clearly hits the snitch and some of the charge/static jumps over to him.
Right. As all of use have seen, most of the energy contained in the lightning went to the Snitch, which is why we saw it melting right on the spot...erm...no. We didn't see it melting, did we?
In fact, we didn't. So where did all the energy go? Oh, right. Let me check. Gold is a brilliant conductor, so we can conclude that the energy of the lightning went somewhere, an idea that is kind of bolstered by the fact that a) it didn't melt and b) somebody caught it later (either Cedric to win or whoever was responsible of putting the Snitch back in the shed after the game), meaning it wasn't "charged" either.
Yet the only energy we see being radiated away from the Snitch hits...let's see...right Cedric Diggory. But that must have been only a small charge or static, because those commonly cause visible sparks in the air, right? No. Actually not. But thanks for trying.
Besides, there are plenty of cases of ordinary humans surviving similar things.
Can it be that you're unable to get my point?
The question was, whether force lightning, which didn't kill anybody in the movies (and is therefor apparently weaker than real lightning), would cause any high amount of damage against the Wizards.
And I'd love to see an "ordinary human" getting hit by lightning while flying around on a magical broom. You may want to think about the injuries that people surviving lightning strikes had, and imagine the same happening several dozen feet above the ground.
This does not mean that they will shrug lightning off like Superman all of a sudden.And 'doesn't give a flying duck?' 😬 Becuase it looked to me like he passed out and fell like a rock. And I'm curious where you see him 'having his broom back under control about 3 seconds after the incident' becuase he.... doesn't. 😐
Did you even watch the video I posted?
You can see him falling but he starts "flying" again at 0:49, given that he stops spinning and we see him flying a curve in relation to the Quidditch field below, while his back stays "up" in Harry direction. So it takes six seconds before he's able to manouver again after eating a full barrage of lightning mid-air. Surely something your "normal human" could easily do, right?
@Sadako of Girth
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And if its is present, then one of its attributes is its physical role in the universe. So I guess the burden is on you to show that the living force will want its partners dead.
Erm. Nope.
Since you want to use that - rather ridiculous - idea as an argument, it's your burden of proof to show that the living force would prevent the death of its partners. Let me do a check: Every single SW source contradicts that claim.
You see. If it were for the "will of the force", no Jedi would ever die against a Sith. We see it happen. Now you might want to follow up with the - similar ridiculous - argument, that the balance was shifted to the Siths side in the time of the prequels. Then I'd have to ask how Yoda managed to overpower Dooku (Attack of the Clones), how he managed to force push Sidious (Revenge of the Sith) and how Mace Windu managed to overpower Sidious (Revenge of the Sith).
You'll notice that I've asked this before, and you're reaction was - pretty much - to ignore it, apparently, because you have no answer to that problem.
Its not strawmanning. If the force allows the user presight.
Pretty useful in thwarting/ prePWNing the wizards.
You still seem to suffer from the - wrong - idea, that prediction is anywhere close to being 100 % accurate. May I point to the examples above again. Yoda can't "predict" Sidious force lightning, neither can Sidious "predict" Yoda's force push (Revenge of the Sith). Where was their "presight" there? On vacation? Not active, because after having exchanged words on how they are going to kill eachother, none of them did expect an attack?
You may also find that line of thought familiar. I've also presented this argument already and you - once more - reacted by ignoring it entirely, apparently, because you have no answer to that problem.
To make the long story short: Either admit you're wrong or stop posting here. I know what Jedi and Sith (and the Force) can do, probably more than anybody else here, considering that I'm one of the most knowledgeable participants in the Star Wars VS forum. There is absolutely no way for them to compete with magic, especially not - and that another point you keep ignoring - if the Wizards get 30 minutes of prep time.
Before the fight even starts, they could magically alter the entire enviroment in order to benefit from it. Just think about placing muggle repelling charms or turning themselves invisible. After 30 minutes, the Jedi would be confronted with the urge to go home or try to fight invisible Wizards which might fly around somewhere above them.
And, just in case you want to drop the "but the Force users can sense them and still attack them" argument here: Go watch "A New Hope". Darth Vader totally fails to find Obi-Wan Kenobi, despite being able to sense him - from about 5 meters of distance. In "Empire strikes back" Vader manages to hide from Luke during their duel, almost scoring a surprising blow on him - and Luke does the same to Vader during their duel in "Return of the Jedi".
Anything else? If not, the Wizards win. /thread