Originally posted by Nephthys
Padawans. 😐 There doesn't seem to be many of those in this thread.Yes. Becuase this is a completely different situation from ANH. No-ones coming out of nowhere to snipe them from thousands of meters away. The jedi aren't all focused on a single person but are prepared to deal with a team. Completely different.
HA, the force is everywhere, right? If it binds us, surrounds us, why didnt he sense Solo?
Fail.
HA, the force is everywhere, right? If it binds us, surrounds us, why didnt he sense Solo?
Fail.
Becuase he's thousands of miles away in space you twiglet. 😬 Becuase he's human, becuase he wasn't listening to it, becuase that was what the Force wanted to happen, becuase he was over confident, etc... Christ, I've explained this to you like 5 f'ing times already.
Originally posted by NephthysHe was right there on Vaders head, man. He had to have come out of hyperspace, get a visual on the death star, figure where Vader is, and plan an attack.
Becuase he's thousands of miles away in space you twiglet. 😬 Becuase he's human, becuase he wasn't listening to it, becuase that was what the Force wanted to happen, becuase he was over confident, etc... Christ, I've explained this to you like 5 f'ing times already.
Originally posted by NephthysHey, plot or no, it happened onscreen, and that's what we have to deal with. Do I think its bullshit? Yeah, but I accept it.
You really are reaching you know. Also, no.'Precog is useless becuz of 1 time when it didn't work 4 teh sak of plot! I win!'
Not one time. There was also right after when the TIE barreled into Vader.
ROTJ, when Luke went apeshit, Vader was surprised.
Palpy, he didnt sense Vader rising up against him.
Hey, plot or no, it happened onscreen, and that's what we have to deal with. Do I think its bullshit? Yeah, but I accept it.Not one time. There was also right after when the TIE barreled into Vader.
ROTJ, when Luke went apeshit, Vader was surprised.
Palpy, he didnt sense Vader rising up against him.
Look, I'm not saying its perfect or anything, but unless its completely blindsided, overwhelmed or just not paid attention to, precog does tend to work, and isn't nearly as fail as you're trying to make it out to be.
All 3 of those came in exceptional circumstances, Vader was looking around for who had just shot at him, he'd just found out he had a daughter and that it was actually someone he'd personally tortured (plus, he wasn't surprised by Luke but by how much power he suddenly gained from going berserk on his ass), and the Emperor was completely focused on the last possible threat to him broken at his feet. Exceptional circumstances, when the characters were at their most vulnerable and weren't properly paying attention. CIS, which won't happen here.
Originally posted by NephthysIt's impossible to say that, if there was any one time that a Jedis precog would be shot, this is it.
Look, I'm not saying its perfect or anything, but unless its completely blindsided, overwhelmed or just not paid attention to, precog does tend to work, and isn't nearly as fail as you're trying to make it out to be.All 3 of those came in exceptional circumstances, Vader was looking around for who had just shot at him, he'd just found out he had a daughter and that it was actually someone he'd personally tortured (plus, he wasn't surprised by Luke but by how much power he suddenly gained from going berserk on his ass), and the Emperor was completely focused on the last possible threat to him broken at his feet. Exceptional circumstances, when the characters were at their most vulnerable and weren't properly paying attention. CIS, which won't happen here.
Originally posted by Bardock42I educated myself since then. I paid attention to the movies. I stopped thinking HP wizards were "a bunch **** with sticks."
Guys, remember Dumbledore vs Yoda.When Rob supported Dumbledore, and RJ supported Yoda.
Good times.
On a side note, since Obi Wan and Qui Gon were the only ones shown using force speed, they are the only ones who can use it here ✅
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You guys can blow each other all day, you can hate away on Harry Potter, but this:Hasn't been countered. Not even close. "RJ is gimping", that's all I am seeing. The only thing I can see that can be interpreted as me gimping is the precog thing. For some God awful reason, you guys think the precog will work flawlessly here. Why? Vader, one of the most powerful force users of all time, his precog was next to useless at the battle of Yavin. Han Solo blitzkrieged his ass and he never saw it coming. And Vader had his attention on one thing, Luke.
Here, the force users will have to deal with a wall of fiendfyre surrounding them, with fiendfyre comets raining down on them, spells coming in from every angle, wizards everywhere at once, with wizards that can apparate away at will when caught in a force attack. If Vaders precog was disrupted by one man, there's literally zero chance of the force users precog here working efficiently.
How am I wrong about this? Screen feats dictate it.
I already pwned #1 mad crazy and you still haven't countered that with even a reply to it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I educated myself since then. I paid attention to the movies. I stopped thinking HP wizards were "a bunch **** with sticks."On a side note, since Obi Wan and Qui Gon were the only ones shown using force speed, they are the only ones who can use it here ✅
Don't care, think the on-screen rule is silly, won't abide by it.
It's impossible to say that, if there was any one time that a Jedis precog would be shot, this is it.
Except that there are numerous examples of Jedi being in similar situations and keeping their cool. I know its not going to be a stroll in the park, but precogs not useless. The Jedi aren't going to roll a string of natural ones and not everythings going happening like in your script. I just hope you can see that.
edit: Also, again, its impossible to say that a gun isn't going to jam in the middle of a fight. But we don't assume it will becuase of that.
Originally posted by NephthysIt's likely to happen this way, why wouldn't the wizards throw all they have at them?
Except that there are numerous examples of Jedi being in similar situations and keeping their cool. I know its not going to be a stroll in the park, but precogs [b]not useless. The Jedi aren't going to roll a string of natural ones and not everythings going happening like in your script. I just hope you can see that. [/B]
On a side note, since Obi Wan and Qui Gon were the only ones shown using force speed, they are the only ones who can use it here
Its a core Force power, just like push, pull and precog. It falls under the OP.
edit: First thing on wookiepedia: 'Force speed, also known as burst of speed or Force sprint, was a core Force power'