Originally posted by RobtardSo you're gonna take my OP rules and twist them around as you like?
It's all a version of telekinesis, instead of "wrapping" the Force around an object to move it, it's applied to someone's throat. Luke did it; he had incomplete training. As per YOUR rules, it would be a basic power. But you'll gimp the Jedi here, because it doesn't help your little wizards. Nothing new.Despite the movies showing you they can't, and that Force-precog allows the Force user to "see things right before they happen", as told by Qui Gon Jin and seen with Jedi doing a great job at blocking multiple blaster fire. Yet somehow in your mind, a wizard will teleport, attack and teleport, all in less than a second.
Ride that gimp-horse into the ground, boy.
OK then. All the wizards here can apparate, all can cast fiendfyre, all have seven hocruxes, all can cast protego horrriblis. Oh yeah, they can all summon the Dementors. 😄
Suck on that, *****.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So you're gonna take my OP rules and twist them around as you like?OK then. All the wizards here can apparate, all can cast fiendfyre, all have seven hocruxes, all can cast protego horrriblis. Oh yeah, they can all summon the Dementors. 😄
Suck on that, *****.
No. They won't.
You laid the ground rules in the first page.
No changing them now. You know better.
All shit talk is usual: friendly and customary.
Any complaints can be listed here.
You guys can blow each other all day, you can hate away on Harry Potter, but this:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'll lay this out one more time.The force users have the following ways of attacking the wizards:
1. Force pull/push. Easily escaped by apparating.
2. Force choke. Easily escaped by apparating.
3. Force lightning. Easily escaped by apparating. Besides, the wizards will never get close enough for the force users to use this.
4. Force crush. Easily escaped by apparating. Besides, if we go by screen feats, Vader can only force crush what is in front of him, and to his left and right, and he must target his attacks. Also, he can force crush no farther than he was shown doing. 10 feet radius, if that much.
5. Saber attack. The wizards won't ever be this close.
Force attacks can only range as far as what we see onscreen. Never, not ever, is a force attack shown with a range of hundreds of feet (which is a distance the wizards can easily attack from, even far beyond that.). Not counting Vaders force choking Ozzel from across the galaxy.
Now, again, the precog. If Vaders precog was shot in ANH when he was focusing on Luke, when Han surprised him, it will be shot here, what with all that will be going on.
In the end, the force users have nothing that the wizard cannot counter easily.
Prove me wrong on these facts.
Hasn't been countered. Not even close. "RJ is gimping", that's all I am seeing. The only thing I can see that can be interpreted as me gimping is the precog thing. For some God awful reason, you guys think the precog will work flawlessly here. Why? Vader, one of the most powerful force users of all time, his precog was next to useless at the battle of Yavin. Han Solo blitzkrieged his ass and he never saw it coming. And Vader had his attention on one thing, Luke.
Here, the force users will have to deal with a wall of fiendfyre surrounding them, with fiendfyre comets raining down on them, spells coming in from every angle, wizards everywhere at once, with wizards that can apparate away at will when caught in a force attack. If Vaders precog was disrupted by one man, there's literally zero chance of the force users precog here working efficiently.
How am I wrong about this? Screen feats dictate it.
Originally posted by Impediment
No. They won't.You laid the ground rules in the first page.
No changing them now. You know better.
All shit talk is usual: friendly and customary.
Any complaints can be listed here.
THIS is what I said in the OP:
Originally posted by Rogue JediHowever, if one of the Jedi, for example, were never shown using force push/pull onscreen, they can still use it, because durh it is a basic Jedi power. On the other hand, if one of the wizards is never shown using a simple wizard spell (Protego, for example) they can use it, because again, durh, it is a basic wizard power. the Jedi/Sith/Wizard would not be where they are if they didn't know these simple powers.
However, if one of the Jedi, for example, were never shown using force push/pull onscreen, they can still use it, because durh it is a basic Jedi power
See? I mentioned force push and force pull. Now, if you guys are gonna argue that force choke is a basic Jedi/Sith power, WTF? It isn't, that has been established in MANY a thread here.
Is this really where we are now? Saying that Force choke is a basic force user power?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
THIS is what I said in the OP:See? I mentioned force push and force pull. Now, if you guys are gonna argue that force choke is a basic Jedi/Sith power, WTF? It isn't, that has been established in MANY a thread here.
Is this really where we are now? Saying that Force choke is a basic force user power?
Going by screen feats, yes. You seem to be adhering to EU, methinks.
Force choke is a basic screen feat of Vader.
See MVF Golden Rule.
Ha.....Ha....Ha.
Sir Stutter for the win.
Welll if you gimp, (And we've seen plenty of it in this thread) then it gets commented on... Pretty simple math really.
1) For all you know Push/Pull works fine on it. (If your Magic is in the physical universe, it is affectable by the force - which is a part of everything.)
2) See above answer.
3) See above answer.
4) See above answer
5) Well SOME pieces of them may be close.... 🙂
Ok force attack that Vader killed his officers with while not even being remotely near them in ESB FTW
Screen feats never showed HP magic having ANY effect on force users.
Here, the force users will have to deal with a wall of fiendfyre surrounding them, with fiendfyre comets raining down on them, spells coming in from every angle, wizards everywhere at once, with wizards that can apparate away at will when caught in a force attack. If Vaders precog was disrupted by one man, there's literally zero chance of the force users precog here working efficiently.
How am I wrong about this? Screen feats dictate it.
The way you post you'd think that the Jedi have never been surrounded on all sides with thousands of droids shooting at them from all at once. Wait, that does seem familiar...
You'd also think that Jedi have never been in a war in which thousands of droids and clones are firing at each other complete with tanks and flyers. Hmmm, memory tingling....
Or a space battle....
Or heck, any battle....
You know what I noticed about these scenes, dispite ALOT more going on around them than in your little unrealistic, scripted situation, in more or less every case, not one of those times do Jedi's precogs suddenly go crazy and blank out. Just something I noticed.
edit: Also, I like to go by high end feats. 🙂
Originally posted by ImpedimentYeah, did I ever deny that Vader uses force choke?
Vader uses Force Choke in the very first SW movie. /End.Force Choke works here. See MVF Golden Rule.
MVF rules state that we go with what is seen onscreen. A combatant can use ONLY what powers they are shown using. Meaning.......Only Vader and Luke can use force choke, right? And only Sidious and Dooku can use force lightning, right?
I just wanna make sure we are on the same page.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The way you post you'd think that the Jedi have never been surrounded on all sides with thousands of droids shooting at them from all sides. Wait, that does seem familiar...You'd also think that Jedi have never been in a war in which thousands of droids and clones are firing at each other complete with tanks and flyers. Hmmm, memory tingling....
Or a space battle....
Or heck, any battle....
You know what I noticed about these scenes, dispite [b]ALOT
more going on around them than in your little unrealistic, scripted situation, in more or less every case, not one of those times do Jedi's precogs suddenly go crazy and blank out. Just something I noticed.edit: Also, I like to go by high end feats. 🙂 [/B]
Can droids apparate? No. Can droids fly? No. Can droids produce a big ass wall of aware fiendfyre? No.
If the droids as Genosis could do this, the Jedi would have been killed.
That really has nothing to do with what I posted. 😬
And what crappy logic. Are wizards able to rapid fire bolts of plasma? No. Are wizards specifically hard to detect and predict becuase they're droids? No. Are there thousands of them in a complete ring around the Jedi all firing at once. No. See, I can do it too.
Clearly its veeery hard to overwhelm a jedi's precog.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, did I ever deny that Vader uses force choke?MVF rules state that we go with what is seen onscreen. A combatant can use ONLY what powers they are shown using. Meaning.......Only Vader and Luke can use force choke, right? And only Sidious and Dooku can use force lightning, right?
I just wanna make sure we are on the same page.
We are on the same page, AC. heartbeat
Originally posted by Nephthys
That really has nothing to do with what I posted. 😬And what crappy logic. Are wizards able to rapid fire bolts of plasma? No. Are wizards specifically hard to detect and predict becuase they're droids? No. Are there thousands of them in a complete ring around the Jedi all firing at once. No. See, I can do it too.
Clearly its veeery hard to overwhelm a jedi's precog.
Thing is, the droids are slow moving, the Jedi always know right where they are.
A wizard? can apparate to anywhere they wish and attack anew. It's impossible to predict from where, there are too many other things to deal with. If a Jedi takes their attention off the fiendfyre for even a second, they're done.
Thing is, the droids are slow moving, the Jedi always know right where they are.
Yeah but the hundreds/thousands of blaster bolts speeding at then aren't exactly slow.
A wizard? can apparate to anywhere they wish and attack anew. It's impossible to predict from where, there are too many other things to deal with. If a Jedi takes their attention off the fiendfyre for even a second, they're done.
Umm, not it isn't. See Jedi have this thing called precognition that enables them to see the future and even react to it before it even happens. They also have this thing called the Force. Do you remember? That thing that flows through them, guides their actions, hightens their senses, quickens their reactions, their speed, lets them feel the world around them? That thing?
There are twenty of them. 😐 Compare that to the thousands of droids firing around them in that arena. Yes, obviously theres just too many things to keep track of. 😐
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah but the hundreds/thousands of blaster bolts speeding at then aren't exactly slow.Umm, not it isn't. See Jedi have this thing called precognition taht enanbles them to see the future and even react to it before it even happens. They also have this thing called the Force. Do you remember? That thing that flows through them, guides their actions, hightens their senses, quickens their reactions, their speed, lets them feel the world around them? That thing?
There are twenty of them. 😐 Compare that to the thousands of droids firing around them in that arena. Yes, obviously theres just too many things to keep track of. 😐
You are forgetting how many Jedi were at Geonosis. And how many died.
Again with the precog. You still think it works flawlessly here, when in ANH, Vaders failed?
You are forgetting how many Jedi were at Geonosis. And how many died.Again with the precog. You still think it works flawlessly here, when in ANH, Vaders failed?
Padawans. 😐 There doesn't seem to be many of those in this thread.
Yes. Becuase this is a completely different situation from ANH. No-ones coming out of nowhere to snipe them from thousands of meters away. The jedi aren't all focused on a single person but are prepared to deal with a team. Completely different.