Iroh vs Aang
when iroh was asked to kill the firelord it wasnt a question of if he could do it, it was a question of the ramifications of his deed. not to mention irohs other amazing feets including speedblitzes (while out of shape), peak human str or quite possibly superhuman, and probably the best MA and firebender in avatar
iroh (bloodlusted) vs aang
this is during the comet
1. no avatar state
2. avatar state
Originally posted by marwash22
First off, are we excluding Aang's non-violent personalty? If this is a legit fight that Aang is trying win, Iroh gets thumped... and Aang wouldn't need the avatar state.
Personality is almost always taken into account in fights on these forums. Aang isn't blood-lusted in this fight (except when he's in the Avatar State), so he'll have those restrictions he had against Ozai.
That said, I don't know why people include Avatar State Aang in Aang threads. No one in the series can beat Avatar State Aang.
Originally posted by Q99
No Avatar State < Iroh < Avatar State, IMO
Same here.
Aside from Roku, all we have are a few glimpses of what the others can do, not that that matters much since we're discussing the Avatar State.
In the Avatar State, Aang has the knowledge and experience of all the previous Avatars, and hence, can do whatever a previous Avatar was capable of. As he's the current Avatar, technically speaking, he's the most powerful one.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Aside from Roku, all we have are a few glimpses of what the others can do, not that that matters much since we're discussing the Avatar State.
In the Avatar State, Aang has the knowledge and experience of all the previous Avatars, and hence, can do whatever a previous Avatar was capable of. As he's the current Avatar, technically speaking, he's the most powerful one.
Yes, but he's got less physical power, and really, how much knowledge was added during the last few compared to all that beforehand?
I bet Kyoshi could take Roku, for example 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, but he's got less physical power, and really, how much knowledge was added during the last few compared to all that beforehand?I bet Kyoshi could take Roku, for example 🙂
It's like comparing 999 to 998. There's not much of a difference, but one number is greater than the other.
Roku's got Kyoshi's experience and everything, so yeah, at best, it would be a draw if they were both Fully Realized.
Kyoshi's the longest lived Avatar though: 238 years, dayum.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenixwhere did you find that information?
It's like comparing 999 to 998. There's not much of a difference, but one number is greater than the other.Roku's got Kyoshi's experience and everything, so yeah, at best, it would be a draw if they were both Fully Realized.
Kyoshi's the longest lived Avatar though: 238 years, dayum.
The entire premise of this question is severely flawed and tailored toward Iroh winning. Remove the personality restriction on Aang, and this isn't even a fight.
If Iroh gets to fight under the amplification of the comet and be enraged, then Aang should have his non-violent nature lifted from the equation... otherwise, this is just a platform for people to pump up Iroh.
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
where did you find that information?
It was 230 actually. My mistake.
The info is found in "Escape from the Spirit World."
Originally posted by marwash22
The entire premise of this question is severely flawed and tailored toward Iroh winning. Remove the personality restriction on Aang, and this isn't even a fight.If Iroh gets to fight under the amplification of the comet and be enraged, then Aang should have his non-violent nature lifted from the equation... otherwise, this is just a platform for people to pump up Iroh.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's like comparing 999 to 998. There's not much of a difference, but one number is greater than the other.Roku's got Kyoshi's experience and everything, so yeah, at best, it would be a draw if they were both Fully Realized.
Kyoshi's the longest lived Avatar though: 238 years, dayum.
But there's still a different in attitudes and physical capabilities and such.
Originally posted by SamZEDSeriously?
Iroh is probably the best firebender. He definitely can beat Aang (no avatar state) and he wont even need the comet amp to do that.
Did i miss something here and Aang isn't allowed to use the other elements during this fight? I'm not discounting Iroh, he's a beast, but i think people are underestimating Aang.