Iroh vs Aang

Originally posted by SamZED
There's no proof that they CAN do it so we'll have to assume that they can't untill proven otherwise. You can't ask for proofs that they can NOT do something. Going by that logic- there's no proof that Iroh CAN'T burn the whole planet with a snap of his fingers, doesnt mean we'll have to assume that he can.

There is sufficient evidence to support my assertion; that evidence being... "two different people preformed the act with a high level of expertise". Would you have us believe that if the Wright brothers never created three-axis control, modern engineers would still have automatically known how to create an f15? Point is, it's only logical to assume Ozai and Jeong didn't just wake up on the day of the comet and think to themselves "I think I'll try flying today".

Your concomitance makes absolutely no sense; because unlike the conclusion i came to, there is absolutely nothing you can use as a basis to support your hypothesis. Basically, to counter my point, you used a very unintelligible form of nonparametric inference. In laymen terms, you're just makin' shyt up.

Are you familiar with the principles of an known unknown? That is what your statement is; my statement has at least a base in which logical determination can be built upon, yours is pure conjecture.

DP, where is it ever stated that Ozai knew about Iroh's technique? From the way he explained it to Zuko, it was something he developed some time after his active participation in the Fire Nation campaign. I can't imagine Ozai would have been paying much attention to Iroh at that point.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
DP, where is it ever stated that Ozai knew about Iroh's technique? From the way he explained it to Zuko, it was something he developed some time after his active participation in the Fire Nation campaign. I can't imagine Ozai would have been paying much attention to Iroh at that point.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by marwash22
That is quite possibly, the dumbest thing i have ever read.

There is sufficient evidence to support my assertion; that evidence being... [b]"two different people preformed the act with a high level of expertise". Would you have us believe that if the Wright brothers never created three-axis control, modern engineers would still have automatically known how to create an f15? Point is, it's only logical to assume Ozai and Jeong didn't just wake up on the day of the comet and think to themselves "I think I'll try flying today".

Your concomitance makes absolutely no sense; because unlike the conclusion i came to, there is absolutely nothing you can use as a basis to support your hypothesis. Basically, to counter my point, you used a very unintelligible form of nonparametric inference. In laymen terms, you're just makin' shyt up.

Are you familiar with the principles of an known unknown? That is what your statement is; my statement has at least a base in which logical determination can be built upon, yours is pure conjecture. [/B]

i refuse to debate an idiot.

Yeah, reported.

lol

SamZED: "I can't win a debate logically, so I shall report people for no reason".

get a life.

😆 Apperantly ignoring posts and calling someone an idiot over the internet = winning the debate "logically" in
marwash22's book. 😆 👆

I'll put this simplier. Spare me your dumb speculation and show proofs that Ozai or any other firebender can fly under normal conditions without the amp or stfu and gtfo.

Originally posted by SamZED
😆 Apperantly ignoring posts and calling someone an idiot over the internet = winning the debate "logically" in
[b]marwash22's book. 😆 👆

I'll put this simplier. Spare me your dumb speculation and show proofs that Ozai or any other firebender can fly under normal conditions without the amp or stfu and gtfo. [/B]

There is no proof, but Ozai's expertise suggests that he can either fly or fly to some extent when not under the comet amp. It's bound to be greater than Azula's capabilities when not under the comet (propulsion), that much is obvious.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
DP, where is it ever stated that Ozai knew about Iroh's technique? From the way he explained it to Zuko, it was something he developed some time after his active participation in the Fire Nation campaign. I can't imagine Ozai would have been paying much attention to Iroh at that point.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Fair enough.

Pretty much.

Also, if you think about it, Sozin's Heat/Smoke redirection is a lot like Lightning redirection.
So it's possible Sozin applied Water Bending principles to his technique as well, and Iroh finalized Lightning Redirection after studying Sozin's Heat Redirection.

Im pretty sure Iroh would break Aang even if Aang was using all the four elements... I mean come on Ozai was kicking Aang's ass that Aang had to hide in a rock, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Aang is weak or anything, I'm just saying if Iroh is more powerful than Ozai (which i think he is IMO) and Ozai is kicking Aang's ass while he uses all four elements... Aang is screwed if he faces Iroh without the Avatar State. And as for the AS, I'm sure Roku could beat Aang if they are both in the AS. Plus i know Ozai faced Aang during the comet which boosted his firebending skills but I think even without the comet Ozai MIGHT be able to put up a good fight but not win. But Iroh would definitely kick Aang's ass with or without the comet.

Originally posted by Q99
No Avatar State < Iroh < Avatar State, IMO

Agree with this. Regular Aang gets worked by iroh. Iroh punked Azulah who is near or on par with the firelord iirc.

Avatar state Aang stomps everyone.

A good case could be made for Aang since he would have beat Ozai without Avatar State had he not been such a wimp and killed the guy.

^ Yeah but I think iroh owns Ozai.

Iroh would disagree with you. He was very doubtful about being able to defeat Ozai. As am I really. Iroh is cool but his feats are wanting. He has the power but really seems to lack mobility that Ozai had.

If anything, I'd say he lacked the desire more than skill. He wasn't a cut throat like Ozai.

IMO he's too old to be leaping around and stuff. I know he got really buff and everything but that doesn't make him less ancient. And he's never flown around like Ozai and Azula have (I think). Aang has a significant mobility advantage on him.

Originally posted by socool8520
If anything, I'd say he lacked the desire more than skill. He wasn't a cut throat like Ozai.

Well that's an opinion. Iroh does say that he doesn't know if he can beat him. That isn't a full on no but it's definitely not a yes. And based on showings, I would definitely say no.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
A good case could be made for Aang since he [b]would have beat Ozai without Avatar State had he not been such a wimp and killed the guy. [/B]

In all fairness, he could have won not because he was a better/more powerful bender, but because he knew how to return a one-hit-kill attack. But yeah, his personality hampered him there.

Originally posted by socool8520
Agree with this. Regular Aang gets worked by iroh. Iroh punked Azulah who is near or on par with the firelord iirc.

She really isn't. Far better villain though.

End of series Aang couldn't do jack to Azula WITHOUT firebending. Iroh isn't as agile but Aang won't do crap against a bloodlusted Iroh.

Aang is mediocre at best at firebending and earthbending. Water bending probably isn't even mastered since he can't heal. Korra was able to do that right off the bat.

Iroh in his prime would stomp. Old buff Iroh wins 7/10, and Iroh loses badly to hax state.