@ Nephthys
Well, i dunno about that.
Iroh said himself that he could beat Ozai, so i would imagine his firebending is even more formidable than Ozai's. If this were a firebending fight, Iroh would win, but Aang is the avatar and there's no way Iroh can beat someone who uses all four elements.... no one can!
Originally posted by marwash22Sorry, should've said "imo" ofcourse its just my opinion but I believe Iroh would beat Aang in a fight. Im in no way understimating Aang, but Iroh got experience on his side. And mad firebending skills. I mean, remember how he pwned Azula and her soldiers?
Seriously?Did i miss something here and Aang isn't allowed to use the other elements during this fight? I'm not discounting Iroh, he's a beast, but i think people are underestimating Aang.
Originally posted by Nephthysiroh was basically superhuman at the end of the show. he broke out of his cell in prison w.o any bending. i think hes at the very least equal to ozai physically.
Iroh hasn't displayed anything to make me think he's on his brothers level really. He lacks the mobility or youth to stand in prolonged conflict with Aang like Ozai did.
Originally posted by Q99
But there's still a different in attitudes and physical capabilities and such.
All that would help is prolonging the inevitable, which at best for Kyoshi, is a draw. Roku has his own experience and power in addition to that of Kyoshi's.
As for attitudes, I don't see much of a general difference. They are both willing to kill if necessary. Kyoshi is more open to killing, yes, but Roku will kill her as well, if he deems her a threat. Roku also has a Dragon 313.
Besides, we don't really know how agile either of them are.
Fire Nation individuals typically seem to be more agile than Earth Kingdom individuals.
As for Aang, barring the last appearance of him using the Avatar State, he's been ruthless; & he has experience in Energy Bending, as well as Tremor Sense, which none of the previous 4 Avatars are shown to have.
Roku's statement "I have mastered the elements a thousand times in a thousand lifetimes, and now I must do it once more" suggests that Mastering elements gets easier, and it also suggests that an Avatar has more control over the elements than the previous one does.
~ Also, I'd just like to point out that it is rather stupid trying to put one Avatar up against another 😛.
Originally posted by marwash22
Touche! then, what's the point?
That there's no point in trying to debate what the fight would be like if the restrictions set by the OP were changed...until the TC decides to change it that is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Iroh hasn't displayed anything to make me think he's on his brothers level really. He lacks the mobility or youth to stand in prolonged conflict with Aang like Ozai did.
Indeed. He's powerful, but even he expressed his doubts on whether he could actually beat Ozai.
Ozai was basically the second most powerful bender in the world when Sozin's Comet arrived, based on the power he displayed.
Granted, a Lightning Redirection would end the fight, but Ozai should know that Iroh can do that, so he won't use Lightning.
Originally posted by Nephthysflawed logic.
No, but he was alot more impressive with it than Iroh was.
You can't properly judge the skill level of Iroh and Ozai based on how they fought under the comet amp.
Ozai... fought the avatar!
Iroh... fought some random dudes.
I'm sure Iroh would have flexed some serious muscle if the people he was up against were of any real consequence.
Originally posted by marwash22
Why do you continue to ignore the fact that Iroh said himself that he could beat Ozai? Iroh has never come off as a liar or a braggart so i think we must take him at his word.
He states, and I quote "Even if I did defeat Ozai, and I don't know that I could..."
How is that Iroh saying he could beat Ozai? He never states that. What he does state is that he doesn't know if he could beat Ozai.
Iroh's only real advantage over Ozai is that he can redirect lightning, which Ozai probably knows since he saw Zuko do it.