Silver Surfer vs Sentry WITH Void.

Originally posted by 753
I read the fight and acknowledged he was defeated, crushing someone means a lot more than just a ko thor couldn't even finish as the board still saved SS who wanted to cure thor and not kill him.

Feats do so trump comparisons, because popularity and plot requirements affect the outcome of fights with famous characters in them a lot more than they do regular feats.

What do you mean a knock out he couldn't even finish? The Silver Surfer was down and out. Thor would have killed him had Warlock not take control of the board and saved them.

Thor was treating them like children. They were annihilated.

Originally posted by 753
I disagree with the not holding back part and while thor undobtedly won, I think we have different ideas of what crushing someone means. SS got crushed by Aegis and Tenebras, and Thanos in the past - he was all ****ed up. Thor just put him down and the board still saved his ass.

If you're disagreeing with me, then you haven't read Silver Surfer #96 where the Silver Surfer states his done holding back. And was thoroughly defeated when Thor had enough of games by the way.

Originally posted by 753
I read the fight and acknowledged he was defeated, crushing someone means a lot more than just a ko thor couldn't even finish as the board still saved SS who wanted to cure thor and not kill him.

Feats do so trump comparisons, because popularity and plot requirements affect the outcome of fights with famous characters in them a lot more than they do regular feats.

No, they don't. They never have and they never will but Thor's feats trump Surfer's anyways so who cares.

When did that fight occur?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Not Warrior's Madness. But they did fight during Blood and Thunder.

Did he possess the PG at this point?

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
When did that fight occur?

It's true Johnny. Thor crushed Norrin in that fight. It was a full on no lube arse rape. Basically Thor was nut's and showing his true power levels, i.e. the ubiquitous "not holding back" routine.

but you can say surfer was holding back...so it goes either way i guess...when has surfer completely cut loose? hmm

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Did he possess the PG at this point?

This was not your average Thor no matter how you spin it.

Originally posted by kgkg
No but Thor was hinted to be more more powerful than his regular self a few times. Also Surfer later claims he was holding back.

This was not your average Thor no matter how you spin it.

The only time I recall such a thing being hinted, was during the fight with Beta Ray Bill who stated Thor drew strength from the madness. This by the way was the same Beta Ray Bill who was under wrongly believe that Thor was in a state of true Warrior Madness. Using that as some evidence that Thor was amped in some way is laughable.

When? I honestly cannot recall this instance. And Surfer specifically stated that his held back long enough and goes on to battle Thor with his power unleashed. Unfortunately it does not turn out well for Norrin.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight12.jpg

No it wasn't. This was a Thor without the moral inhibitions that he is usually under. It gives us a glimpse of what Thor is capable of when he is mad. Which isn't really surprising. Thor has gone above and beyond what others (Including me.) have assumed are the limits of his strength when enraged.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The only time I recall such a thing being hinted, was during the fight with Beta Ray Bill who stated Thor drew strength from the madness. This by the way was the same Beta Ray Bill who was under wrongly believe that Thor was in a state of true Warrior Madness. Using that as some evidence that Thor was amped in some way is laughable.

When? I honestly cannot recall this instance. And Surfer specifically stated that his held back long enough and goes on to battle Thor with his power unleashed. Unfortunately it does not turn out well for Norrin.

No it wasn't. This was a Thor without the moral inhibitions that he is usually under. It gives us a glimpse of what Thor is capable of when he is mad. Which isn't really surprising. Thor has gone above and beyond what others (Including me.) have assumed are the limits of his strength when enraged.

Anyway claiming Thor can fight at this level is ridiculous when he was referenced to being as WM few times and even Odin had to step in his mind.

Sure it was not WM but this was not Thor who was just mad he was Insane and does not operate at this level hence useless in a debate. Thor was more powerful than his regular self.

Trying to use this fight as an indication of Thor > Surfer is laughable at best.

"We cannot risk holding back this time"

Also Thor was not only mad this was a disease that would spread to other Asgardians.

so no this is not just Thor getting mad.

His mental state so bad that Odin was willing to kill him.

Originally posted by kgkg
😂 This was not just a Thor who was mad he was insane. Surfer says he was holding back when he starts to fight Thor with PG.

Anyway claiming Thor can fight at this level is ridiculous when he was referenced to being as WM few times and even Odin had to step in his mind.

Sure it was not WM but this was not Thor who was just mad he was Insane and does not operate at this level hence useless in a debate. Thor was more powerful than his regular self.

Trying to use this fight as an indication of Thor > Surfer is laughable at best.

"We cannot risk holding back this time"

"This time" would suggest that in a previous encounter with the mad Thor, he was holding back to at least some extent, correct? That I agree with. When he first encountered Thor with Bill, he was holding back. However, he went on to cut loose after he realized that reasoning with Thor would fail. Both statements can fit into the series of events without contradicting each other.

Are you actually trying to claim that Thor was in Warrior Madness, when Thanos of all people went out of his way to confirm that he wasn't under the Warrior Madness? I don't care what Beta Ray Bill or Sif stated. They were clearly misinformed.

Haha, what the hell? He was off his knockers but this doesn't somehow magically amp him up because your in denial. The Valkyrie twisted Thor's perception of things. He viewed every one as an enemy. That's the jest of it.

Of course his more powerful than his regular self. Thor in his regular state holds back severely for the majority of the time. He even holds back when he out right states his going all out. It's in his nature. One of the main reasons Odin even let him join the Avengers was so he could learn to hold back his strength. This doesn't some how mean that Blood and Thunder is useless in debates. If someone posts that the stipulations are that Thor is not holding back at all, I can and will use Blood and Thunder as evidence. I however don't use it as the basis for a regular fight. Hence why I give Thor 6-8/10 against the Surfer and not 10/10 which would be the case as I used Blood and Thunder as the basis for my opinion.

Originally posted by kgkg
Also Thor was not only mad this was a disease that would spread to other Asgardians.

so no this is not just Thor getting mad.

His mental state so bad that Odin was willing to kill him.

I never actually understood why that would happen. Thor's mental state was a result of the multiple incarnations of Thor Odin made, which splintered his personality etc. How this would be contagious is beyond me, anyways....

No it isn't just Thor getting mad. It's a Thor out for the kill which rarely ever happens, because when he does, his opponents usually end up dead. Ask the Void. 🙂

I still don't see how this changes anything overall. I'm not using Blood and Thunder solely in my opinion who would win that fight, as that is not the norm for Thor. However, claiming that the feats he did was somehow beyond Thor without some outside influence, I completely disagree.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"This time" would suggest that in a previous encounter with the mad Thor, he was holding back to at least some extent, correct? That I agree with. When he first encountered Thor with Bill, he was holding back. However, he went on to cut loose after he realized that reasoning with Thor would fail. Both statements can fit into the series of events without contradicting each other.

Are you actually trying to claim that Thor was in Warrior Madness, when Thanos of all people went out of his way to confirm that he wasn't under the Warrior Madness? I don't care what Beta Ray Bill or Sif stated. They were clearly misinformed.

Haha, what the hell? He was off his knockers but this doesn't somehow magically amp him up because your in denial. The Valkyrie twisted Thor's perception of things. He viewed every one as an enemy. That's the jest of it.

Of course his more powerful than his regular self. Thor in his regular state holds back severely for the majority of the time. He even holds back when he out right states his going all out. It's in his nature. One of the main reasons Odin even let him join the Avengers was so he could learn to hold back his strength. This doesn't some how mean that Blood and Thunder is useless in debates. If someone posts that the stipulations are that Thor is not holding back at all, I can and will use Blood and Thunder as evidence. I however don't use it as the basis for a regular fight. Hence why I give Thor 6-8/10 against the Surfer and not 10/10 which would be the case as I used Blood and Thunder as the basis for my opinion.

I would give Thor 6-8/10 against ANY high herald.

wasnt surfer ripping reality apart when he cut loose?

Originally posted by carver9
I would give Thor 6-8/10 against ANY high herald.

Even Gladiator?

Originally posted by bbrem123
wasnt surfer ripping reality apart when he cut loose?

I'm not sure, but ripping through a piece of reality, hardly trumps what Thor has done unless the scale is enormous.

Thor's broken through reality with a blow.

ah this is what i was talking about...pretty ill feat if u ask me
http://img39.imageshack.us/i/captainmarvelv301020.jpg/
http://img190.imageshack.us/i/captainmarvelv301021.jpg/

ahh she was ripping apart reality...my bad...but he still stopped her

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even Gladiator?

I always stated that Thor>Gladiator. I hate admitting it but its the truth. I think physically Glads>Thor but if you put everything on the table, Thor is some notches above Glads.

By looking at everything Thor has done, taken, etc... the only herald that I would give a 5/5 split to is Surfer (even though I give Thor the nods over him as well).

Surfer is the only one with the durability, versatility, and power output to keep up with a Thor that is using his ability along with his brute force.

🙁