Originally posted by bbrem123
ah this is what i was talking about...pretty ill feat if u ask me
http://img39.imageshack.us/i/captainmarvelv301020.jpg/
http://img190.imageshack.us/i/captainmarvelv301021.jpg/
Yeah, this is an insane feat and this feat alone is one of the reasons why I think so high of Surfer and put him> the high herald list (along with everything else that he has done versatility wise).
Originally posted by SpireActually there was no warrior madness whatsoever and it was explained it wasn't on panel so as usual you my dear sir are incorrect.
Wow. This fanboy party is getting out of hand.Couple of things:
Thor was definitely under some sort of 'Warrior's Madness'
Oh, and Thor was fighting(beating up) Surfer and Warlock with 'lightning speed' - just wanted to mention that.
That is all.
Originally posted by Spire
Wow. This fanboy party is getting out of hand.Couple of things:
Thor was definitely under some sort of 'Warrior's Madness'
Oh, and Thor was fighting(beating up) Surfer and Warlock with 'lightning speed' - just wanted to mention that.
That is all.
If by Warrior Madness you mean he was blood lusted etc. then that's perfectly fine. If however by Warrior Madness you mean he was being amped etc. then I disagree.
Warrior Madness in itself was basically when a god went crazy with blood lust etc. That was the case for a while. The closest we have to it amping anyone until Thor #502 was Bill's statement. Hence why Zeus was stated to be under Warrior Mandess when he fought Thor and the Avengers. Heck even in Thor #502 (The issue where he made the 10x claim.) he explained that Warrior Madness was him entering a berserker state where his mindless and has no inhibitions or something similar.
So?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYes, and since the ten times amp wasn't even written until years later people can quit bringing up this as some sort of amp which didn't even exist at this time. It's always been laughable like the writer had Thor at ten times as strong in this arc.
If by Warrior Madness you mean he was blood lusted etc. then that's perfectly fine. If however by Warrior Madness you mean he was being amped etc. then I disagree.Warrior Madness in itself was basically when a god went crazy with blood lust etc. That was the case for a while. The closest we have to it amping anyone until Thor #502 was Bill's statement. Hence why Zeus was stated to be under Warrior Mandess when he fought Thor and the Avengers. Heck even in Thor #502 (The issue where he made the 10x claim.) he explained that Warrior Madness was him entering a berserker state where his mindless and has no inhibitions or something similar.
So?
Originally posted by SpireIt wasn't WM as we find out at the end but he was not normal Thor and was stronger than average.
Wow. This fanboy party is getting out of hand.Couple of things:
Thor was definitely under some sort of 'Warrior's Madness'
Oh, and Thor was fighting(beating up) Surfer and Warlock with 'lightning speed' - just wanted to mention that.
That is all.
Key point is that he can't replicate this.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"This time"
Are you actually trying to claim that Thor was in Warrior Madness, when Thanos of all people went out of his way to confirm that he wasn't under the Warrior Madness? I don't care what Beta Ray Bill or Sif stated. They were clearly misinformed.Haha, what the hell? He was off his knockers but this doesn't somehow magically amp him up because your in denial. The Valkyrie twisted Thor's perception of things. He viewed every one as an enemy. That's the jest of it.
Of course his more powerful than his regular self. Thor in his regular state holds back severely for the majority of the time. He even holds back when he out right states his going all out. It's in his nature. One of the main reasons Odin even let him join the Avengers was so he could learn to hold back his strength. This doesn't some how mean that Blood and Thunder is useless in debates. If someone posts that the stipulations are that Thor is not holding back at all, I can and will use Blood and Thunder as evidence. I however don't use it as the basis for a regular fight. Hence why I give Thor 6-8/10 against the Surfer and not 10/10 which would be the case as I used Blood and Thunder as the basis for my opinion.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"This time"
Are you actually trying to claim that Thor was in Warrior Madness, when Thanos of all people went out of his way to confirm that he wasn't under the Warrior Madness? I don't care what Beta Ray Bill or Sif stated. They were clearly misinformed.Haha, what the hell? He was off his knockers but this doesn't somehow magically amp him up because your in denial. The Valkyrie twisted Thor's perception of things. He viewed every one as an enemy. That's the jest of it.
Of course his more powerful than his regular self. Thor in his regular state holds back severely for the majority of the time. He even holds back when he out right states his going all out. It's in his nature. One of the main reasons Odin even let him join the Avengers was so he could learn to hold back his strength. This doesn't some how mean that Blood and Thunder is useless in debates. If someone posts that the stipulations are that Thor is not holding back at all, I can and will use Blood and Thunder as evidence. I however don't use it as the basis for a regular fight. Hence why I give Thor 6-8/10 against the Surfer and not 10/10 which would be the case as I used Blood and Thunder as the basis for my opinion.
We have seen BRB tie Thor in battle so yes he would know if Thor was more powerful than before. 🙂 Heck it was beielve to be WM til the very end. So yes he was more powerful than avarage.
Again he was not normal and cannot achieve this state of mind he was Insane for god shake.
You seem to think getting mad and being insane is the smae this state would start affecting other asgardian.
Thor was INSANSE. Thor cannot achive this state of mind
and looking at overall battle feat Surfer will beat Thor 7/10 considering he already beat a Thor's equal recently and has owned people that give Thor lots of trouble.
Originally posted by SpireNa man Thor was just mad he can get like this all the time. 😂
Odin himself said it wasn't 'true Warrior's Madness', rather than, "Lolz, it's not Warrior's Madness. At all. Like... seriously... at all. Not even a bit. Also, its sooooo not Warrior's Madness that it can't/won't spread to other Asgardians because it's nothing. At all."
Originally posted by kgkg
No I didn't claim it was WM. I claimed it was some sort of Illness similar to WM. This Thor was more powerful than Normal Thor.We have seen BRB tie Thor in battle so yes he would know if Thor was more powerful than before. 🙂 Heck it was beielve to be WM til the very end. So yes he was more powerful than avarage.
Again he was not normal and cannot achieve this state of mind he was Insane for god shake.
You seem to think getting mad and being insane is the smae this state would start affecting other asgardian.
Thor was INSANSE. Thor cannot achive this state of mind
and looking at overall battle feat Surfer will beat Thor 7/10 considering he already beat a Thor's equal recently and has owned people that give Thor lots of trouble.
Yes he was more powerful than normal Thor in the sense that he was blood lusted. However claiming he had some sort of amped is silly. Heck, the only indication of even the True Warrior Madness giving a being any amp before Thor #502 was an off hand statement by Beta Ray Bill, who isn't exactly a scholar on all things Asgardian I would assume.
Haha, the old "But Beta Ray Bill stalemated Thor" argument. The gap between the has just been growing and growing in my opinion. You want to see how a fight between the two went after Blood and Thunder had concluded?
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsBillWarriorThree3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsBillWarriorThree4.jpg
We don't see Bill for a while as I recall.
And there's the Secret Invasion mini where Thor clearly outclassed Bill.
Okay, I don't think your understanding what I'm saying. The main difference between Blood and Thunder Thor and normal Thor would be the fact that Thor has no moral inhibitions. Thor will obviously never be as brutal or as violent as he was in Blood and Thunder, but the feats are certainly useable as a basis to form an opinion on if we are discussing a Thor that is blood lusted, not holding back and enraged. I don't see what's so hard to comprehend.
Beta Ray Bill is not Thor's equal. Using him as a basis for how well Thor would do against an opponent is a fallacy.
Who did he recently own that has given Thor a great deal of trouble?
We will continue this discussion tomorrow.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus Yes he was more powerful than normal Thor in the sense that he was blood lusted. However claiming he had some sort of amped is silly. Heck, the only indication of even the True Warrior Madness giving a being any amp before Thor #502 was an off hand statement by Beta Ray Bill, who isn't exactly a scholar on all things Asgardian I would assume.
All that matter is that Thor was more powerful. Since BRB has battled Thor he would know that this Thor was more powerful.
That is all that matters.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus Haha, the old "But Beta Ray Bill stalemated Thor" argument. The gap between the has just been growing and growing in my opinion. You want to see how a fight between the two went after Blood and Thunder had concluded? http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsBillWarriorThree3.jpg http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsBillWarriorThree4.jpg We don't see Bill for a while as I recall. And there's the Secret Invasion mini where Thor clearly outclassed Bill.Yes lets just use the scans where THor had the upper hand and ignore all their ties and Bill having the upper hand.
Anyway it doesn't matter the feats disagree with you and writer disagree with you.
BRB's power = Thor it's been proven and stated many times.
"Ohh no but THor has better feat". Yes and he has any shitty feats that don't apply to BRB which cancels out.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus Okay, I don't think your understanding what I'm saying. The main difference between Blood and Thunder Thor and normal Thor would be the fact that Thor has no moral inhibitions. Thor will obviously never be as brutal or as violent as he was in Blood and Thunder, but the feats are certainly useable as a basis to form an opinion on if we are discussing a Thor that is blood lusted, not holding back and enraged. I don't see what's so hard to comprehend. Beta Ray Bill is not Thor's equal. Using him as a basis for how well Thor would do against an opponent is a fallacy. Who did he recently own that has given Thor a great deal of trouble?It's your job to prove that Thor can operate at this level by just getting mad.
You can't use this feat because he was insane we don't really know how much this affected his strength Thor has been near death many times we don't see him getting mad and getting so much stronger.
Thor has problem with Hulk , Wolverine , WM , Iron Man while SS has causally own them in the past.
I don't see Thor beating Surfer on average
Originally posted by kgkgIt's just Thor not holding back and ready to kill his opponents who happen to be friends which we can do on kmc. Sure he won't ordinarily run around trying to behead the Surfer but when he wants to he can crush him.
Prove that he can? and Will?If he can't and won't than it's pretty much useless to gauge when talking about Normal Thor.
Just because someone's mindset is different such as Superman from WW issue 219 that doesn't mean we ignore what he's capable of in that mindset.
Originally posted by quanchi112Wow.
It's just Thor not holding back and ready to kill his opponents who happen to be friends which we can do on kmc. Sure he won't ordinarily run around trying to behead the Surfer but when he wants to he can crush him.Just because someone's mindset is different such as Superman from WW issue 219 that doesn't mean we ignore what he's capable of in that mindset.
It's not just Thor holding back.
It's Thor that is Insane.
Again you didn't even answer the question
Originally posted by kgkg
Prove that he can? and Will?If he can't and won't than it's pretty much useless to gauge when talking about Normal Thor.
Originally posted by kgkgHe's mentally unbalanced and isn't holding back at all. He was still fighting how he normally did he just wasn't pulling punches and was extremely dangerous.
Wow.It's not just Thor holding back.
It's Thor that is Insane.
Again you didn't even answer the question
His abilities didn't change and since he won't try to murder his friends in the same manner in a comic that doesn't mean we can't take the noble hero constraints off of him in a forum setting.
You're just upset he dominated the Surfer.
