Silver Surfer vs Sentry WITH Void.

So Thor was still pulling punches and less dangerous in those scan? He was no more insane than he was at Odin presence.. How can he lost to one man who is supposedly his equal yet prevail against two who are each equal or stronger without aid of outside forces; be it outside or a onetime source of reservoir of energy? There are narration of Thor impowering himself up with this forces, yet i've seen none that fore-tell/sugggest Thor in this arc is in norm bloodlust, not holding back psyche as you've called it. A rather unique insanity that is somehow ties with his godly soul, yes..

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsBillWarriorThree4.jpg

Cheap shot.. lols

Originally posted by Ambient

So Thor was still pulling punches and less dangerous in those scan? He was no more insane than he was at Odin presence.. How can he lost to one man who is supposedly his equal yet prevail against two who are each equal or stronger without aid of outside forces; be it outside or a onetime source of reservoir of energy? There are narration of Thor impowering himself up with this forces, yet i've seen none that fore-tell/sugggest Thor in this arc is in norm bloodlust, not holding back psyche as you've called it. A rather unique insanity that is somehow ties with his godly soul, yes..

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsBillWarriorThree4.jpg

Cheap shot.. lols

You've got Insane Thor @ 100% max potential; unfettered bloodlust.. lost to BRB on the ground lying w/ Surfer watching, a power amp is mentioned, Thor got up and proceeded to stomp both, then Warlock comes, he got stomp too along with Surfer. All this high heralds got beaten so easyly. That right there is quite clear, that Insane Thor went from 100% max to way above potential. He is no Hulk, course unless he drew strength from the Insanity.. 😖hifty: ..

We are not supposed to take literaly the amp being mentioned in that comics even dough its really clear yet take in Surfer, no holding back monoloque as literal when its not in his personas to go for the kill specially against someone he have great respect and come to aide ++ there is also his statement that they did so (hold back) in the latter issue.. His monoloquing should be one none taken literaly. lol

opps 1o minute break done..lols

Originally posted by Ambient
You've got Insane Thor @ 100% max potential; unfettered bloodlust.. lost to BRB on the ground lying w/ Surfer watching, a power amp is mentioned, Thor got up and proceeded to stomp both, then Warlock comes, he got stomp too along with Surfer. All this high heralds got beaten so easyly. That right there is quite clear, that Insane Thor went from 100% max to way above potential. He is no Hulk, course unless he drew strength from the Insanity.. 😖hifty: ..

We are not supposed to take literaly the amp being mentioned in that comics even dough its really clear yet take in Surfer, no holding back monoloque as literal when its not in his personas to go for the kill specially against someone he have great respect and come to aide ++ there is also his statement that they did so (hold back) in the latter issue.. His monoloquing should be one none taken literaly. lol

opps 1o minute break done..lols

Thor can't amp his strength unless he goes berserker rage which was mentioned far later than this. This is what Thor is capable of when he wants to kill you right out of the gate.

Surfer meant as a group they cannot hold back and need to beat him not five issues ago that he was holding back. It's quite obvious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There was no power amp mentioned he meant figuratively drawing power from his madness.

Thor can't amp his strength unless he goes berserker rage which was mentioned far later than this. This is what Thor is capable of when he wants to kill you right out of the gate.

Surfer meant as a group they cannot hold back and need to beat him not five issues ago that he was holding back. It's quite obvious.

No its not, there was no proof that the blood and Thunder arc is the norm potential non holding back Thor while there are evidence of the latter argument..

I take that as a statement in there approach toward Thors containment, so far in all issues.. Highly unlike for Surfer to kill specially against a friend, he couldn't do it to the most villain before Thanos/Morg.. Def. not Thor..

Originally posted by Ambient
No its not, there was no proof that the blood and Thunder arc is the norm potential non holding back Thor while there are evidence of the latter argument..

👆

Only an idiot would think B&T Thor was just an angry Thor pissed off because... I guess... his team lost the ballgame and he lost 500 big ones that he stole from Odin.

Originally posted by Ambient
I can see that happening if Insane Thor was holding back at first but that is not the case as clearly he was not.. so how was he a few levels stronger than his max? The Amp..

No its not, there was no proof that the blood and Thunder arc is the norm potential non holding back Thor while there are evidence of the latter argument..

I take that as a statement in there approach toward Thors containment, so far in all issues.. Highly unlike for Surfer to kill specially against a friend, he couldn't do it to the most villain before Thanos/Morg.. Def. not Thor..

No, because that contradicts him actually stating I will hold back no longer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wasn't this is what he is capable of when not holding back just like he can wreck Air walker with one hammer toss whereas before he was getting knocked around.

No, because that contradicts him actually stating I will hold back no longer.

You meant the other way around right cause that holds more truth.. How often do we see Surfer let loose even against hated opponent let alone a respected friend? Never..

Originally posted by Ambient
That is my point, he clearly was not holding back when lost to BRB.. So how was he able to tank and stomp 3 high heralds @ get go after the mention of ampage to the madness if what was stated just a figure of speech? Maybe it was not figuratively but rather literal.. hmm lols

You meant the other way around right cause that holds more truth.. How often do we see Surfer let loose even against hated opponent let alone a respected friend? Never..

He said he wasn't going to hold back so I took him at his word. Why would he say that and the reader assume he lied?

I cant believe people actually think SS and Superman have a chance against Void. Do these people just throw away the obvious? I realize Bendis sucks, but come on. The Void was taking on the Avengers, X-men, Strange and Thor before and they were powerless to stop him or even harm him. Now we have Siege 4 in which he could have killed all these people if he really wanted to, but Bob popped up and decided he would rather die than to let the Void rulde. Please use common sense when it comes to these matters. The Void is beyond these characters.

Originally posted by tkitna
I cant believe people actually think SS and Superman have a chance against Void. Do these people just throw away the obvious? I realize Bendis sucks, but come on. The Void was taking on the Avengers, X-men, Strange and Thor before and they were powerless to stop him or even harm him. Now we have Siege 4 in which he could have killed all these people if he really wanted to, but Bob popped up and decided he would rather die than to let the Void rulde. Please use common sense when it comes to these matters. The Void is beyond these characters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Deep down they know the Void wins.

Yeah, I know that, but its funny how people will pick apart any weakness at all while reading a comic and just throw away the obvios.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, I know that, but its funny how people will pick apart any weakness at all while reading a comic and just throw away the obvios.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In blood and thunder well before he acquired the power gem.

While we can debate these scans all day, it's preposterous to base a entire thread with two +40 year-old characters on one storyline that occurred more than 15 years ago.

Originally posted by Ambient

So Thor was still pulling punches and less dangerous in those scan? He was no more insane than he was at Odin presence.. How can he lost to one man who is supposedly his equal yet prevail against two who are each equal or stronger without aid of outside forces; be it outside or a onetime source of reservoir of energy? There are narration of Thor impowering himself up with this forces, yet i've seen none that fore-tell/sugggest Thor in this arc is in norm bloodlust, not holding back psyche as you've called it. A rather unique insanity that is somehow ties with his godly soul, yes..

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsBillWarriorThree4.jpg

Cheap shot.. lols

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Beta Ray Bill used Thor's own blood lusted nature against him. He stopped trying to subdue Thor with power and used his superior skill (Thor was like a raging animal.), landing blow after blow at Thor's head after Thor disposed Norrin. Thor then got up and defeated Beta Ray Bill with a blast of energy and then went to stomp the Silver Surfer.

I don't see what's so difficult to understand here.

The narration didn't say shit. Beta Ray Bill claimed that Thor was drawing strength from the Madness, as he thought Thor was under Warrior Madness wrongly.

Again, I don't understand what's so difficult to understand here.

Thor hit him while he was in the air. It wasn't an honorable move but it isn't as if he struck him from behind or anything.

I honestly don't see what's the problem here. Thor's always been shown to overcome his limits when his angry. Him doing so when his insane doesn't surprise me at all.

If a pissed off Thor can own the utter shit out of an Ulik who was thousands of times more powerful than before after Ulik had just finished smashing both him and Hercules, killing both the Hulk and the Thing in battle, destroy the Visor of the freaking Destroyer after he was enraged, take on the Fourth Host when mad, among other shit, I have absolutely no problem with what he did in Blood and Thunder.

Originally posted by kgkg
Why are you talking about WM? I really don't care what it was.

All that matter is that Thor was more powerful. Since BRB has battled Thor he would know that this Thor was more powerful.

That is all that matters.

Bill has never battled Thor in such a state. Bill has only fought Thor in his normal mindset. Even when Odin declared them to fight to the death, I don't recall Thor looking any more different hand than he would usually. You might actually have a worthwhile argument if Bill had fought an enraged and blood lusted Thor.

Originally posted by kgkg
Yes lets just use the scans where THor had the upper hand and ignore all their ties and Bill having the upper hand.

Anyway it doesn't matter the feats disagree with you and writer disagree with you.

BRB's power = Thor it's been proven and stated many times.

"Ohh no but THor has better feat". Yes and he has any shitty feats that don't apply to BRB which cancels out.

When did I ever suggest that we should do something similar to that?

Beta Ray Bill and Thor fought twice before Blood and Thunder. Thor transformed into Blake and lost in the first fight. In the second fight, they stalemated and the heat revived Bill long enough to jump off from the floating piece of rock and he collapsed soon after wards. It was also implied pretty heavily that Odin choose that location specifically as Bill would have lost if he hadn't. And this was written by Walter, who seemed at times as if he liked Bill more than he did Thor.

Since Walter's run, the difference between Thor and Bill has just grown and grown. Recently, a Skrull that owned Beta Ray Bill with utter ease, was being handled by Thor. She literally manhandled and toyed with him with one arm while taking on the armies of Asgard with the other. Thor > Bill.

Posting a ****ing caption and trying to use it as evidence is laughable.

The feats and the writer's disagree with me? It's been me who has been using feats as evidence to support my case (Which were written by writers.) while you posted a ****ing caption as if it trumps actual on panel feats.

Bill's been called Thor's equal many times. Unfortunately, when it matters most, Thor steps up.

Hahaha.

Honestly, all one needs to do is read these scans and realize that there is a gap between the two. Even Bill seems to acknowledge the greatness of Thor. 🙂

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull9.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull10.jpg

I don't dislike Bill. As a matter of fact I like him very much but calling him Thor's equal at this point seems to be....irrational.

Originally posted by kgkg
It's your job to prove that Thor can operate at this level by just getting mad.

You can't use this feat because he was insane we don't really know how much this affected his strength Thor has been near death many times we don't see him getting mad and getting so much stronger.

Thor has problem with Hulk , Wolverine , WM , Iron Man while SS has causally own them in the past.

I don't see Thor beating Surfer on average

You want me to prove that Thor can jump up in power, above what we would consider his limits when angry? Okay.

Thor beats the shit out of Ulik amped thousands and thousands of times once he injures a mortal (Ulik had just finished trashing Hercules before the upgrade and was handling Thor as well.).
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik71.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik73.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik74.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik75.jpg

Thor stalemates and tosses Kurse once Sif is in danger.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsKurse23.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsKurse24.jpg

Thor nearly breaks off the Visor of the damn destroyer when he comes back enraged.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer89.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer90.jpg

Thor beats the shit out of Mangog when he gets pissed off.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated3.jpg

Thor kicking it up a notch from what we in the past would have viewed as his limits is NOTHING new.

It affected his morality. He was blood lusted and wasn't afraid to kill. It didn't magically amp him. What is wrong with you?

You should pick up a Thor comic. He has kicked up a notch in the past plenty of times.

Of course he has problems with the Hulk. He takes him out and tries to brawl it out. The Surfer would fair worse than Thor in a brawl against the Hulk.

Iron Man? The best Iron Man has ever looked against Thor as I recall is when he was amped by Thor's own lightning and knocked him back while he was under mind control and trying to fight it. Iron Man has been nothing more than a nuisance to Thor. He has trouble even stalling Thor. Ironically from what I gather, Iron Man has done better against Norrin than he ever has against Thor.

Has the Silver Surfer ever thought either Wonder Man or Wolverine? And using the Wolverine comic as evidence? I can just as easily say that Thor effortlessly disposed of Storm while she has given Norrin trouble.

Then you haven't been actually paying attention to what Thor is capable off.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bill has never battled Thor in such a state. Bill has only fought Thor in his normal mindset. Even when Odin declared them to fight to the death, I don't recall Thor looking any more different hand than he would usually. You might actually have a worthwhile argument if Bill had fought an enraged and blood lusted Thor.

When did I ever suggest that we should do something similar to that?

Beta Ray Bill and Thor fought twice before Blood and Thunder. Thor transformed into Blake and lost in the first fight. In the second fight, they stalemated and the heat revived Bill long enough to jump off from the floating piece of rock and he collapsed soon after wards. It was also implied pretty heavily that Odin choose that location specifically as Bill would have lost if he hadn't. And this was written by Walter, who seemed at times as if he liked Bill more than he did Thor.

Since Walter's run, the difference between Thor and Bill has just grown and grown. Recently, a Skrull that owned Beta Ray Bill with utter ease, was being handled by Thor. She literally manhandled and toyed with him with one arm while taking on the armies of Asgard with the other. Thor > Bill.

Posting a ****ing caption and trying to use it as evidence is laughable.

The feats and the writer's disagree with me? It's been me who has been using feats as evidence to support my case (Which were written by writers.) while you posted a ****ing caption as if it trumps actual on panel feats.

Bill's been called Thor's equal many times. Unfortunately, when it matters most, Thor steps up.

Hahaha.

Honestly, all one needs to do is read these scans and realize that there is a gap between the two. Even Bill seems to acknowledge the greatness of Thor. 🙂

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull9.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull10.jpg

I don't dislike Bill. As a matter of fact I like him very much but calling him Thor's equal at this point seems to be....irrational.

You want me to prove that Thor can jump up in power, above what we would consider his limits when angry? Okay.

Thor beats the shit out of Ulik amped thousands and thousands of times once he injures a mortal (Ulik had just finished trashing Hercules before the upgrade and was handling Thor as well.).
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik71.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik73.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik74.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsUlik75.jpg

Thor stalemates and tosses Kurse once Sif is in danger.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsKurse23.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsKurse24.jpg

Thor nearly breaks off the Visor of the damn destroyer when he comes back enraged.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer89.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer90.jpg

Thor beats the shit out of Mangog when he gets pissed off.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mangogdefeated3.jpg

Thor kicking it up a notch from what we in the past would have viewed as his limits is NOTHING new.

It affected his morality. He was blood lusted and wasn't afraid to kill. It didn't magically amp him. What is wrong with you?

You should pick up a Thor comic. He has kicked up a notch in the past plenty of times.

Of course he has problems with the Hulk. He takes him out and tries to brawl it out. The Surfer would fair worse than Thor in a brawl against the Hulk.

Iron Man? The best Iron Man has ever looked against Thor as I recall is when he was amped by Thor's own lightning and knocked him back while he was under mind control and trying to fight it. Iron Man has been nothing more than a nuisance to Thor. He has trouble even stalling Thor. Ironically from what I gather, Iron Man has done better against Norrin than he ever has against Thor.

Has the Silver Surfer ever thought either Wonder Man or Wolverine? And using the Wolverine comic as evidence? I can just as easily say that Thor effortlessly disposed of Storm while she has given Norrin trouble.

Then you haven't been actually paying attention to what Thor is capable off.

Fraction stated in an interview that he was writing Thor after he had the small portion of the Odin Force drained (Reviving the Asgardians or something similar.). Later on (I think it was someone on Alvaro.) who posted Fraction stated that this Thor was not amped. I've been trying to find the link but the one I had bookmarked seems to be gone. And Alvaro's format sucks when you want to search for posts.

I'm surprised Fraction cared enough about the Odin Force to give a reason why he ignored it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Fraction stated in an interview that he was writing Thor after he had the small portion of the Odin Force drained (Reviving the Asgardians or something similar.). Later on (I think it was someone on Alvaro.) who posted Fraction stated that this Thor was not amped. I've been trying to find the link but the one I had bookmarked seems to be gone. And Alvaro's format sucks when you want to search for posts.

I'm surprised Fraction cared enough about the Odin Force to give a reason why he ignored it.

Thor while only having a fraction showed to be far more durable then his classic levels.

PLus he went into the Odinsleep to revived what Odinpower he had.

He did some very crazy feats during his short run with a samll part of the Odinpower.

He was at this point Thor was a leap over his former self.

So Rage.Of.Olympus your going to post higher end feats like I predicted to show Thor is > Bill 😂

Hey I might as well put those U-Foes and Wolverine and Hulk scans? huh BRB > Thor yay.

anyway the caption was written by the witter and it's not just the caption it been hinted countless time that BRB = Thor. 🙂

and lol at using Odin Force Thor to show Thor > BRB