Thor vs Void Sentry

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That caption supports my stance more than it does yours. Here is what it says:

"Fully unleashed, The Void assaulted the assembled heroes. As a last ditch effort, Iron Man brought the H.A.M.M.E.R. Helicarrier down on The Void like a massive bullet. Regaining his senses, Bob begged to be killed. [b]And when the Void seized control again, Thor finally ended the troubled life of Bob Reynolds."

Like I said, Bob regained control for a moment but then the Void reestablished itself as the dominant personality. Reynolds had enough control to ask to be killed again but that's about it, and Thor knowing he had no choice, killed him.

That part was referring to the original mini and not to Siege.

Reynolds didn't have the control needed to kill himself etc. Hence why he asked to be killed. He wasn't the dominant personality anymore, it was the Void who was in control. Thor's onslaught and the explosion just knocked the Void for a bit of a loop.

That's my understanding. [/B]

i totally agree with this.

Originally posted by 753
It is indeed and it is simpler and more parsimonious as well.

Bu then it's not the fact that mjolnir is magical per se that can account for the void not reforming.

Well, you've always been a simple kind of guy haven't you?

Whatever method Le Fay used to destroy the Sentry isn't interchangeable with that hammer strike. The hammer strike along with Thor's ability to defy the physical might have been enough damage to put him down for good.

Originally posted by bbrem123
i completely agree with this...the only thing that i think we disagree on here is that u think thor killed him due to the amount of damage void has been taking...and im saying it was due to bob wanting to die. all im saying is the only way for void to be put down for good is if bob wants to die..othewise he will just regenerate

If you assume the Void fully regenerates unless Bob wants to die.... then two hits or so from Thor are enough to kill non-regenerating Void.

Ha!

Originally posted by Badabing
Or if someone waaaaaaaaay more powerful than Void/Sentry wanted him dead. Like Thor maybe.

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Originally posted by Bentley
If you assume the Void fully regenerates unless Bob wants to die.... then two hits or so from Thor are enough to kill non-regenerating Void.

to be honest caps shield cut his head off...its like boo from DBZ..doesnt take to much to blow of his arm but it doesnt really do anything to him in the end...if boo never had his regeneration he would have died soooo quickly...but him and void both have it which makes them both beyond physical damage. actually i would call void regeneration. its just complete control over his body

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, you've always been a simple kind of guy haven't you?

Whatever method Le Fay used to destroy the Sentry isn't interchangeable with that hammer strike. The hammer strike along with Thor's ability to defy the physical might have been enough damage to put him down for good.

Yes, I like to call it not grasping at straws to make my pet character seem awesome.

Claiming the void form still had enough of the sentry persona left in him for a scream and insisting the void wanted to live, came in after the scream and then lost control and attacked them, instead of accepting it was the void/sentry/reynolds (one person after all) trying to get the others to kill him with that atatck, as a form of giving them no choice, is really too complicated for me.

Simplicty and parsimony are universally accepted rules of thumb for logic problem solving when no other categorical evidence is available btw.

Even assuming the void wanted to live there is no acounting for the fact he didn't regenerate. The hammer might have special capacities that prevented regen, but this is strictly speculation, they were never stated or even hinted at in the comic and midfight the void was tanking or reforming after the strikes.

the void has no say if they live or die...bob does...and bob wanted to die...so he did

Originally posted by bbrem123
to be honest caps shield cut his head off...its like boo from DBZ..doesnt take to much to blow of his arm but it doesnt really do anything to him in the end...if boo never had his regeneration he would have died soooo quickly...but him and void both have it which makes them both beyond physical damage. actually i would call void regeneration. its just complete control over his body

Yup. Fat Buu had regeneration too when he was fight ultimate Buu but even Fat Buu power was decreasing and he was losing.

Like Fat Buu I believe Void's power was reducing as well thats why he didn't return instantly back and was Bob instead.

Originally posted by bbrem123
to be honest caps shield cut his head off...its like boo from DBZ..doesnt take to much to blow of his arm but it doesnt really do anything to him in the end...if boo never had his regeneration he would have died soooo quickly...but him and void both have it which makes them both beyond physical damage. actually i would call void regeneration. its just complete control over his body

It doesn't account for the attacks he tanked nor the physical resistance he showed as Sentry. I think that either he temporary lost all his powers (due to Bob) or that the damage stacked, because otherwise some hits from Thor wouldn't have even merited regeneration.

Originally posted by bbrem123
the void has no say if they live or die...bob does...and bob wanted to die...so he did

Only when he truly wants to die, the Void isn't a separate entity, he is a part of Bob Reynolds. When he still had doubts and part of him wanted to live, he survived the sun struggling against himself. When he had no more doubts, both external personas - sentry and void - beg to die and he dies.

sentry is durable..void is all mushy and stuff...and yes bob was the reason for the voids death....thor has the power to damage void physical body and with bob not wanting to live...void didnt regenerate

Originally posted by 753
Only when he truly wants to die, the Void isn't a separate entity, he is a part of Bob Reynolds. When he still had doubts and part of him wanted to live, he survived the sun struggling against himself. When he had no more doubts, both external personas - sentry and void - beg to die and he dies.

so ur saying that the void said he wanted to die...and that is just an indication to us that they are one in the same? makes sense

but to be honest after they show the biblical reference i dont think void and bob are the same...i think sentry and void are but not bob...he is just a host of some sort...and if he wanted to die then void will go with him.(hes probably back in the negative zone or something now. Were it seems he always goes when he dies.) I just feel like void needs a host in order to do anything.

Originally posted by 753
Yes, I like to call it not grasping at straws to make my pet character seem awesome.

Claiming the void form still had enough of the sentry persona left in him for a scream and insisting the void wanted to live, came in after the scream and then lost control and attacked them, instead of accepting it was the void/sentry/reynolds (one person after all) trying to get the others to kill him with that atatck, as a form of giving them no choice, is really too complicated for me.

Simplicty and parsimony are universally accepted rules of thumb for logic problem solving when no other categorical evidence is available btw.

Even assuming the void wanted to live there is no acounting for the fact he didn't regenerate. The hammer might have special capacities that prevented regen, but this is strictly speculation, they were never stated or even hinted at in the comic, and midfight the void was tanking or reforming after the strikes.

Lol. Thor doesn't need my help to be awesome. My stance here is not based on my dislike of the Sentry or my love of Thor.

I've been claiming the Void is a cosmic entity who'd beat Thor for a while. As a matter of fact if I had written Siege, Thor would have been disposed much sooner by the Void. Apparently Bendis has a different opinion which has forced me to reevaluate Thor's standing in relation to the Void.

Thor smacked away a Void influenced Sentry like a child. He went toe to toe with a Void possessed Sentry, and even destroyed his physical Sentry shell. Then we have Siege #4. Clearly the gap between the two is not as large as I had previously believed.

Too complicated for you? Thanks for confirming my earlier claim that you've always been rather simple. 🙂

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend. The Void regained control but there was enough of Reynolds to scream for death. The Void has never wanted death. Ever (I'm nearly %100 certain in this regard.). His always wanted to exist. That's something that's been rather constant as far as I recall. Something similar was even stated in Dark Avengers #14 after Void gained control. He was running the show but there was just a little bit of the Sentry persona left in him (Which was doing it's best to prevent the Void from killing Lindy or something similar.).

And it's not as if Thor has the ability to prevent regeneration or anything. Oh wait:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki57.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki58.jpg

P.S. This was the same Loki who had his head cut off and placed right back on his head.

I'm not pulling the claim that the hammer prevented regeneration from my ass.

This thread should be closed for spite. The Void would get thrown into the Sun by Thor.

"It had to be done."

Originally posted by bbrem123
sentry is durable..void is all mushy and stuff...and yes bob was the reason for the voids death....thor has the power to damage void physical body and with bob not wanting to live...void didnt regenerate

I don't know, those tentacles seemed quite solid.

but you really are ignoring the fact that this is about sentry and his struggle...it was also foreshadowed in DA that he die when he truly wants to...i doubt bendis went and looked through thor comics to see if he could stop regeneration or not. He was just keeping to what has been written with the current events and the sentry

Originally posted by bbrem123
the void has no say if they live or die...bob does...and bob wanted to die...so he did

that's your own interpretation.

Originally posted by Bentley
I don't know, those tentacles seemed quite solid.

its like venom or carnage...hows that lol...better example?

u know what would be cool...if the void was the first of the symboites or something lol

Originally posted by shokosugi
that's your own interpretation.

or the actual comics

so why was the void freaking out in the sentry mini series telling senty that he cant remember. He says i want to live. its because the void has no say.

it doesn't matter if Sentry/Void wants to live or die.

after he transformed back to the Void he was going to die whether he liked it or not.

He wasnt gonna stay dead though for longer than a few seconds unless he wanted to (as been proven before) so it's a moot point.