Thor vs Void Sentry

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That caption supports my stance more than it does yours. Here is what it says:

"Fully unleashed, The Void assaulted the assembled heroes. As a last ditch effort, Iron Man brought the H.A.M.M.E.R. Helicarrier down on The Void like a massive bullet. Regaining his senses, Bob begged to be killed. [b]And when the Void seized control again, Thor finally ended the troubled life of Bob Reynolds."

Like I said, Bob regained control for a moment but then the Void reestablished itself as the dominant personality. Reynolds had enough control to ask to be killed again but that's about it, and Thor knowing he had no choice, killed him.

That part was referring to the original mini and not to Siege.

Reynolds didn't have the control needed to kill himself etc. Hence why he asked to be killed. He wasn't the dominant personality anymore, it was the Void who was in control. Thor's onslaught and the explosion just knocked the Void for a bit of a loop.

That's my understanding. [/B]

I agree with this.

Can someone scan this caption?

"Fully unleashed, The Void assaulted the assembled heroes. As a last ditch effort, Iron Man brought the H.A.M.M.E.R. Helicarrier down on The Void like a massive bullet. Regaining his senses, Bob begged to be killed. And when the Void seized control again, Thor finally ended the troubled life of Bob Reynolds."

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol. Thor doesn't need my help to be awesome. My stance here is not based on my dislike of the Sentry or my love of Thor.

I've been claiming the Void is a cosmic entity who'd beat Thor for a while. As a matter of fact if I had written Siege, Thor would have been disposed much sooner by the Void. Apparently Bendis has a different opinion which has forced me to reevaluate Thor's standing in relation to the Void.

Thor smacked away a Void influenced Sentry like a child. He went toe to toe with a Void possessed Sentry, and even destroyed his physical Sentry shell. Then we have Siege #4. Clearly the gap between the two is not as large as I had previously believed.

Too complicated for you? Thanks for confirming my earlier claim that you've always been rather simple. 🙂

I don't see what's so hard to comprehend. The Void regained control but there was enough of Reynolds to scream for death. The Void has never wanted death. Ever (I'm nearly %100 certain in this regard.). His always wanted to exist. That's something that's been rather constant as far as I recall. Something similar was even stated in Dark Avengers #14 after Void gained control. He was running the show but there was just a little bit of the Sentry persona left in him (Which was doing it's best to prevent the Void from killing Lindy or something similar.).

And it's not as if Thor has the ability to prevent regeneration or anything. Oh wait:

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki57.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsLoki58.jpg

P.S. This was the same Loki who had his head cut off and placed right back on his head.

I'm not pulling the claim that the hammer prevented regeneration from my ass.

This thread should be closed for spite. The Void would get thrown into the Sun by Thor.

"It had to be done."

If the Sentry's powers of regeneration were magical in nature, then those scans would apply as they show thor can inhibit Loki's healing magic. Bu the sentry's regen is not magical and, of course, loki's magical healing < void/sentry regen. Furthermore, no mention or insinuation of that was ever made in siege.

It's not hard to get, I just don't agree with your interpretation and think it relies on unnecessary and more convoluted explanations to make sense, contradicts art depiction of events and requires a measure of speculation about mjolnir cancelling void's regen.

Reynolds would not have been put down by thor regardless of his own death wish, and more importantly would not have stayed dead without it. Void is just a part of Reynolds.

You did make me laugh at the end there with the close for spite against void bit 👆

Originally posted by Bentley
Can someone scan this caption?

"Fully unleashed, The Void assaulted the assembled heroes. As a last ditch effort, Iron Man brought the H.A.M.M.E.R. Helicarrier down on The Void like a massive bullet. Regaining his senses, Bob begged to be killed. And when the Void seized control again, Thor finally ended the troubled life of Bob Reynolds."

Originally posted by Badabing

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Respect this page! Seriously, you guys have argued about the same little detail for 16 pages! 👆

Well, well. It seems that helps our argument, even the freaking hellcarrier is mentioned.

Originally posted by Badabing

"And when the Void seized control again, Thor finally ended the troubled life of Bob Reynolds."

That's what I said...Thor killed the VOID. whether Sentry/Void LIKED IT OR NOT he was going to DIE.

That's how I read it the first time. Thor killed Void after Bob pleaded for his life to be ended. Void flips shit one last time and attacks with his astrocrab tentacles, and Thor finishes him. I understand Void has crazy regeneration feats, but it seems to be tied into his willpower. And it wouldn't strike me as odd if Void taxed his regeneration as well as he sustained multiple damage from a barrage of lightning, Norn Stone amped attacks (which aren't all that based on how they've been used in the Thor runs), a hellicarier assploding, and hammer strikes.

We should just be grateful it was Thor and not Odinforce Thor who was in the fray. biscuits

Originally posted by bbrem123
so ur saying that the void said he wanted to die...and that is just an indication to us that they are one in the same? makes sense

but to be honest after they show the biblical reference i dont think void and bob are the same...i think sentry and void are but not bob...he is just a host of some sort...and if he wanted to die then void will go with him.(hes probably back in the negative zone or something now. Were it seems he always goes when he dies.) I just feel like void needs a host in order to do anything.

That's my take on it. Reynolds depression hit a point where not even a tiny piece of him retained a will to live after after everything that went down. His wife is dead, his only anchor in life gone, he just destroyed a civilization, he's got nothing left and there is no way he can ever run from himself, his addiction, his character flaws and his own atrocities.

To me the greatest realization of this comes from his wife when she says the truth is that reynolds was always a **** up. A self-deluded schizo junkie given god-like powers ends up like that. I think the power came from an external source that may or may not have connections to biblical miths. But the void is just the darkness inside reynolds given form by that power, just like the sentry is a manifestation of his superheroe fantasy and an expression of his virtues (or a make belief of the virtues he wished he had).

Originally posted by 753
If the Sentry's powers of regeneration were magical in nature, then those scans would apply as they show thor can inhibit Loki's healing magic. Bu the sentry's regen is not magical and, of course, loki's magical healing < void/sentry regen. Furthermore, no mention or insinuation of that was ever made in siege.

It's not hard to get, I just don't agree with your interpretation and think it relies on unnecessary and more convoluted explanations to make sense, contradicts art depiction of events and requires a measure of speculation about mjolnir cancelling void's regen.

Reynolds would not have been put down by thor regardless of his own death wish, and more importantly would not have stayed dead without it. Void is just a part of Reynolds.

You did make me laugh at the end there with the close for spite against void bit 👆

Those scans were meant to show that the notion of Thor being able to prevent unnatural healing. It doesn't have to be. You act as if Bendis of all people gave this some great measure of though. His more than likely going to write it off as "MAGIC!" and leave it at that. It's Bendis.

What exactly in my interpretation is unnecessary or convoluted?

It's pretty damn straightforward. Bob Reynolds gains control for a second but then the Void seizes control once more as it was the dominant personality. Reynolds had enough will left to ask for death but that's it. The Void was in control, hence him attacking the heroes. Thor then put him out of his misery. Just like the caption Bada posted stated.

What art work does my interpretation contradict pray tell?

Then what happened in Siege #4? And you should read Siege #1 where Thor smacks him away as the arrogant child he was.

I was being dead serious. 😐

Originally posted by 753
That's my take on it. Reynolds depression hit a point where not even a tiny piece of him retained a will to live after after everything that went down. His wife is dead, his only anchor in life gone, he just destroyed a civilization, he's got nothing left and there is no way he can ever run from himself, his addiction, his character flaws and his own atrocities.

To me the greatest realization of this comes from his wife when she says the truth is that reynolds was always a **** up. A self-deluded schizo junkie given god-like powers ends up like that. I think the power came from an external source that may or may not have connections to biblical miths. But the void is just the darkness inside reynolds given form by that power, just like the sentry is a manifestation of his superheroe fantasy and an expression of his virtues (or a make belief of the virtues he wished he had).

And that's why I think that Fallen Sun one-shot was absolute crap. It felt like a forced way to try to make him out to be some kind of awe inspiring hero when it's clear he was anything but. He was a very troubled, pitiful man, one who was never meant to become the "god-like" being he did. The realism (yes, I know "realism" is something to be taken with a grain of salt when it comes to comics) was next to non-existent as everyone went to his funeral to pay tribute to him.

And that Rogue thing was the stupidest thing of all.

I'm glad Jenkins got the final word in about his character and all, but damn, he wanked him to the extreme, imo.

Jenkins was just sore about what happened to the Sentry. I lol'd at the conversation Cloc had with Reed. It's probably what Jenkins wanted to say to Bendis after he read Siege #4.

I honestly think the Sentry would have been A LOT better off if he stayed outside of mainstream continuity.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Those scans were meant to show that the notion of Thor being able to prevent unnatural healing. It doesn't have to be. You act as if Bendis of all people gave this some great measure of though. His more than likely going to write it off as "MAGIC!" and leave it at that. It's Bendis.

What exactly in my interpretation is unnecessary or convoluted?

It's pretty damn straightforward. Bob Reynolds gains control for a second but then the Void seizes control once more as it was the dominant personality. Reynolds had enough will left to ask for death but that's it. The Void was in control, hence him attacking the heroes. Thor then put him out of his misery. Just like the caption Bada posted stated.

What art work does my interpretation contradict pray tell?

Then what happened in Siege #4? And you should read Siege #1 where Thor smacks him away as the arrogant child he was.

I was being dead serious. 😐

The part about the art: It is the void that begs to be killed the second time screaming "kill me!". It looks like the void and has the void's speech ballon.

The extra layer of explanation: for your theory to work, sentry and void are to be thought of as clearly distinct, not just representations of a sick mind struggling against itself that blur toghether: void wants to live sentry wants to die. And yet, the sentry persona still had control over the void form when he screams "kill me!". He then loses that little control with no clear external signs of this and attacks.

I find it simpler to consider the void means what he says and wants to die, his attack is a way to force thor to kill him, not an atempt at survival. By that point Reynolds' soul was cruched, he really didn't care for going on anymore.

Even the people who think thor ended the void regardless of his will to die and stay dead, believ it was cumulative damage that took its toll on him until exhaustion. Thor couldnt do that by himself. The whole siege arc shows void had the upper hand through their fight.

Thor punching sentry away for a couple of panels doesn't really prove a thing, Void had thor against the ropes in far uglier ways - tentacle rape - and IIRC it looks more like crab void breaks out by himself, the energy cracking the shell is yellow with black kirby dots and that's void's signature energy.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And that's why I think that Fallen Sun one-shot was absolute crap. It felt like a forced way to try to make him out to be some kind of awe inspiring hero when it's clear he was anything but. He was a very troubled, pitiful man, one who was never meant to become the "god-like" being he did. The realism (yes, I know "realism" is something to be taken with a grain of salt when it comes to comics) was next to non-existent as everyone went to his funeral to pay tribute to him.

And that Rogue thing was the stupidest thing of all.

I'm glad Jenkins got the final word in about his character and all, but damn, he wanked him to the extreme, imo.

Yeah I agree, Reynolds really was a screw up who broke under the power to become a monster. But I can understand casting at least some simpathy towards him, the sentry did save a lot of lives after all. Even an unbalanced, weak man could still do good at his best moments.

bendis need to clear some stuff up thats all i kno...and if they do bring sentry back i hope he stays in his own comic

and why are you guys ignoring the DA issue were it says plain as day that sentry dies when he truly wants to die?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bob Reynolds wanted to die but that's something that his wanted for a while.

The biggest reason why I disagree with this is because the Void has been the dominant personality and Bob Reynolds has been shown to be extremely clueless compared to the Void under Bendis recently. The Void had already reasserted itself and was attacking the heroes. You could interpret it as asking for it but it seemed to me that he was just out of control again. It just doesn't appear that he has the self restraint and self control to kill himself. Especially not now when the Void has been running the show and there's only a little bit of the Sentry left in there.

He wanted to die, he wanted to be stopped, but just couldn't control himself, hence why he begged for death.

The Void has never wanted to die, infact his always wanted the opposite correct? That "Kill me." statement was whatever of Reynolds that was left in the Void asking for death as a way out.

This seemed to be the whole point of the Sentry/Void as I understood in Siege.

Bendis needs to come out and clarify this shit.

Yes, he couldn't control himself but he did actively want them to kill him hence not just tearing their bodies in half like he did against loki or how he easily defeated MM. He didn't come back as his will to live was no longer there and he knew he needed to be put down.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
World War Hulk Sentry was the hero and brick mode Sentry.

The Sentry persona simply exhausted itself. Great showing for the Hulk and the Sentry.

Him wanting to lose (Which is exactly supported in that issue.) is used to explain that fight. Bob Reynolds was in control at that point so his wishes could have influenced his physical form, but in the end of the day, he want down.

It was nice to see however that Thor was able to smack away the Sentry rather casually.

I'm certain your not the only one either.

She is pretty powerful. One time she even took control over Thor by exploiting his Gaea heritage.

Some believe she went back in time and prevented him from being born or something similar.

Whatever, this is Bendis. I don't really care. The fact that he had Thor take out his pet project bodes well for the future.

The one thing that really surprises me is that he actually handles Thor well, at least compared to other characters. Bendis is actually pretty good at handling high tier teams. I actually liked Dark Avengers. Although maybe since the personality of those characters wasn't really developed, we don't notice his bad writing as much.

I hope he doesn't job him when he fights as a team. Hopefully he'll just have him absent when the situation requires it like he did with Sentry.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he turned into the Void he stated kill me. It was clearly the Void and his dialogue was clearly kill me.

Yes, he couldn't control himself but he did actively want them to kill him hence not just tearing their bodies in half like he did against loki or how he easily defeated MM. He didn't come back as his will to live was no longer there and he knew he needed to be put down.

He smacked him back which really did nothing to the Sentry and Thor got his ass kicked by the ufoes to the point he was almost killed by them.

here i'll post this again for you...

"And when the Void seized control again, Thor finally ended the troubled life of Bob Reynolds."

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he turned into the Void he stated kill me. It was clearly the Void and his dialogue was clearly kill me.

The Void has never wanted to die. It's always been the opposite as far as I can tell so I'm assuming it's the Reynolds aspect begging to die and not the Void aspect.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he couldn't control himself but he did actively want them to kill him hence not just tearing their bodies in half like he did against loki or how he easily defeated MM. He didn't come back as his will to live was no longer there and he knew he needed to be put down.

If he actively wanted Thor to kill him, then why did he transform and attack them? Let me tell you why. The Void regained control as Shoku's scan proves in the previous post.

Loki has only lived this long through Thor's good graces. Beating Loki isn't something beyond Thor at all. Need to do better.

Molecule Man? Pfff. Thor one shotted him in his human form. He made him run away and cry.

Poor, poor Sentry. He'll never live up to the glory that is Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He smacked him back which really did nothing to the Sentry and Thor got his ass kicked by the ufoes to the point he was almost killed by them.

What? All they did was down him. He wasn't even out much less nearly dead.

The Sentry had his ass beat by the original Human Torch in moments. That same Human Torch was one shotted by Thor.

Hence Thor > Sentry.

Honestly, I feel sorry for the Sentry. He gets his ass kicked, killed and gets tossed into the Sun by Thor.

On top of it all, it seems that Thor's going to bang Sentry's mom in Fallen Sun. Poor, poor Reynolds.

"It had to be done."

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If he actively wanted Thor to kill him, then why did he transform and attack them? Let me tell you why. The Void regained control as Shoku's scan proves in the previous post.
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after he turn into Void form..he scream KILL ME..Bob probably turn into Void form so that Thor will kill him..