Thor vs Void Sentry

Originally posted by quanchi112
You act like the man does suck but it's you talking about him and not the other way around. Not my fault you haven't been noticed in over three years it's yours.

That's completely false. Void had him at his mercy prior to Loki giving them all a second chance with the norn stones and he easily ripped him in half which you also don't seem impressed with. You are a Thor guy which explains why you ignore all the context behind the entire issue and don't focus on the fact Bob wanted to die and weakened the Void.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Once again you quan logic failed Thor was showed to bee weaken from the beatin he took from the stone ampped u-foes
And at this point the seige issue show Sentry ahving a slight edge on Thor then we see Thor issues were it was a stand still This a cause on Quan love of the void once again over powering common sense and what happned in the comic

What happened in the comic was Void took on an entire team which had Thor on it and had them at his mercy whereas Loki turned the tide and freed them only to get himself killed. Bob then weakened the Void and wanted death so he got it. You can continue to ignore the context but it only hurts you in the end.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You act like the man does suck but it's you talking about him and not the other way around. Not my fault you haven't been noticed in over three years it's yours.

Lol. Why don't you got into the Dark Avengers books and read my thoughts on it fruit.

mmm

Aside from some snippy remarks, this is a good debate.

My problem is Thor seemed to be handling Sentry. Then outright killed Void when it got time to end the fight.

But I am not a Void expert...

Originally posted by Badabing
mmm

Aside from some snippy remarks, this is a good debate.

My problem is Thor seemed to be handling Sentry. Then outright killed Void when it got time to end the fight.

But I am not a Void expert...

That's pretty much what was shown from Siege as a whole.

Thor, a Thor who was less than 100% - and yes, the U-Foes are damn tough opponents and when combined with the forces of Iron Patriot, Moonstone, and the others, downing Thor is far from a low showing - was able to fight Sentry to a virtual standstill, inflicting damage enough to cause the Sentry's shell to crack revealing the Void. It was obvious that Sentry alone wasn't enough to beat Thor, and please, the argument "Oh, well Sentry just stood there and let Thor hit him" is weak as if the blows were no less powerful. That's Void's CIS coming in if he feels like he needs to allow Thor to hit him to prove the point that a weakened Thor is more than a match for standard Sentry.

We also see Void grasp Thor in one of it's tentacles, and we see Thor momentarily restrained/helpless. Apparently, this equals "OMG WTF stomp" to some people. Void is called off to attack Asgard by Osborn, in which Thor simply stands there and does nothing almost in the same vein of Sentry just "letting" Thor bash away at him. Void then goes Super Void and rains his little Void blasts on the assembled heroes, blasts which are apparently able to blocked by Cap's shield, and generally speaking, if the shield can block/defend against it, so can Mjolnir.

After some amp/restorative effects from the Norn Stones, Void is clearly screaming in pain and frusteration, proving that he is able to be harmed and is far from the omnipotent threat people may want us to believe. After said amp wears off, Thor is among the only hero left able to still effect him with lightning, dispersing his form as well as BRFing him to the fields away from the other heroes. Helicarrier asplodes onto him, proving again, that Void isn't invincible and can take only so much damage before either Bob retains control or is destroyed. Also note that Thor by himself with no one to be mindful getting caught in the crossfire has firepower >>>>> helicarrier bullet.

Bob cries like only he can, begs for his life to be cut short, Thor refuses. Void takes control physically and begins to attack the heroes, as Bob speaks through the Void form to be put out of his PIS crappy character existence. Thor obliges.

In no way did Siege imply Void stomps Thor because he didn't.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Lol. Why don't you got into the Dark Avengers books and read my thoughts on it fruit.

...book thread and read my thoughts on it fruit.

B...b...but that would mean the all powerful creature that people have been wanking isn't all that powerful. I think the main problem some people have with this is that it seems like a low showing for the Void. Think of it as a high showing for Thor. It isn't the first time his taken it to a cosmic big bad and it certainly won't be the last. I think it's reasonable to come to the conclusion that Reynold's will was what kept him from resurrecting but at the same time if Bendis comes out and says that it was the stacked damage, I wouldn't be shocked.

The Void would beat Thor but it's clear it wouldn't be as one sided as one who would have previously thought.

And it should be noted that Thor was in brick/lightning mode.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's pretty much what was shown from Siege as a whole.

Thor, a Thor who was less than 100% - and yes, the U-Foes are damn tough opponents and when combined with the forces of Iron Patriot, Moonstone, and the others, downing Thor is far from a low showing - was able to fight Sentry to a virtual standstill, inflicting damage enough to cause the Sentry's shell to crack revealing the Void. It was obvious that Sentry alone wasn't enough to beat Thor, and please, the argument "Oh, well Sentry just stood there and let Thor hit him" is weak as if the blows were no less powerful. That's Void's CIS coming in if he feels like he needs to allow Thor to hit him to prove the point that a weakened Thor is more than a match for standard Sentry.

We also see Void grasp Thor in one of it's tentacles, and we see Thor momentarily restrained/helpless. Apparently, this equals "OMG WTF stomp" to some people. Void is called off to attack Asgard by Osborn, in which Thor simply stands there and does nothing almost in the same vein of Sentry just "letting" Thor bash away at him. Void then goes Super Void and rains his little Void blasts on the assembled heroes, blasts which are apparently able to blocked by Cap's shield, and generally speaking, if the shield can block/defend against it, so can Mjolnir.

After some amp/restorative effects from the Norn Stones, Void is clearly screaming in pain and frusteration, proving that he is able to be harmed and is far from the omnipotent threat people may want us to believe. After said amp wears off, Thor is among the only hero left able to still effect him with lightning, dispersing his form as well as BRFing him to the fields away from the other heroes. Helicarrier asplodes onto him, proving again, that Void isn't invincible and can take only so much damage before either Bob retains control or is destroyed. Also note that Thor by himself with no one to be mindful getting caught in the crossfire has firepower >>>>> helicarrier bullet.

Bob cries like only he can, begs for his life to be cut short, Thor refuses. Void takes control physically and begins to attack the heroes, as Bob speaks through the Void form to be put out of his PIS crappy character existence. Thor obliges.

In no way did Siege imply Void stomps Thor because he didn't.

all in all a pretty good summary
but Void > Thor
in a real fight

💃

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
all in all a pretty good summary
but Void > Thor
in a real fight

💃

No one's disputing that. But Void isn't shitstomping Thor unless you ignore Thor's high end feats but at the same time want to use Void's own high end feats to support your stance.

Earlier I noted that Steve blocked one of Void's attack, but I'd like to note too that people with "human durability" were hit by a similar attack and Loki saved them without actually any indication of resurrection. Can we figure that an attack that cannot kill Luke Cage is truly stomping Thor?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Lol. Why don't you got into the Dark Avengers books and read my thoughts on it fruit.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's pretty much what was shown from Siege as a whole.

Thor, a Thor who was less than 100% - and yes, the U-Foes are damn tough opponents and when combined with the forces of Iron Patriot, Moonstone, and the others, downing Thor is far from a low showing - was able to fight Sentry to a virtual standstill, inflicting damage enough to cause the Sentry's shell to crack revealing the Void. It was obvious that Sentry alone wasn't enough to beat Thor, and please, the argument "Oh, well Sentry just stood there and let Thor hit him" is weak as if the blows were no less powerful. That's Void's CIS coming in if he feels like he needs to allow Thor to hit him to prove the point that a weakened Thor is more than a match for standard Sentry.

We also see Void grasp Thor in one of it's tentacles, and we see Thor momentarily restrained/helpless. Apparently, this equals "OMG WTF stomp" to some people. Void is called off to attack Asgard by Osborn, in which Thor simply stands there and does nothing almost in the same vein of Sentry just "letting" Thor bash away at him. Void then goes Super Void and rains his little Void blasts on the assembled heroes, blasts which are apparently able to blocked by Cap's shield, and generally speaking, if the shield can block/defend against it, so can Mjolnir.

After some amp/restorative effects from the Norn Stones, Void is clearly screaming in pain and frusteration, proving that he is able to be harmed and is far from the omnipotent threat people may want us to believe. After said amp wears off, Thor is among the only hero left able to still effect him with lightning, dispersing his form as well as BRFing him to the fields away from the other heroes. Helicarrier asplodes onto him, proving again, that Void isn't invincible and can take only so much damage before either Bob retains control or is destroyed. Also note that Thor by himself with no one to be mindful getting caught in the crossfire has firepower >>>>> helicarrier bullet.

Bob cries like only he can, begs for his life to be cut short, Thor refuses. Void takes control physically and begins to attack the heroes, as Bob speaks through the Void form to be put out of his PIS crappy character existence. Thor obliges.

In no way did Siege imply Void stomps Thor because he didn't.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No one's disputing that. But Void isn't shitstomping Thor unless you ignore Thor's high end feats but at the same time want to use Void's own high end feats to support your stance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why don't you what?

I think it's obvious he stomps Thor if he just fights Thor and focuses on his death. If his attention is on a giant team with Loki running distractions and then Bob gets released then Thor has a shot and only then.

If we use Void's high end feats he stomps him as well since Thor can't avoid the Void's tactics while he can reform from whatever Thor does assuming Bob doesn't want death.

Why would you assume Bob doesn't want death when it's been ingrained into his character by recent showings?

Thor's high end feats afford him insane firepower, enough to easily dwarf that helicarrier and insane defensive powers to avoid Void, tank damage, or just BFR him. If Void goes straight for molecular manipulation - he doesn't - then, sure, he has a decent chance at stomping. If Void does what he typically does as shown in a comic, he'll possibly beat Thor, but he won't stomp him.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
all in all a pretty good summary
but Void > Thor
in a real fight

💃

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think the main problem some people have with this is that it seems like a low showing for the Void. Think of it as a high showing for Thor.

remember thor soloing zelia who was amping from odin's energies? mangog? jormangand? fafnir? etc

killing void was a "meh" showing for thor, as void did no damage compared to a ton of thor's great opponents.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why would you assume Bob doesn't want death when it's been ingrained into his character by recent showings?

Thor's high end feats afford him insane firepower, enough to easily dwarf that helicarrier and insane defensive powers to avoid Void, tank damage, or just BFR him. If Void goes straight for molecular manipulation - he doesn't - then, sure, he has a decent chance at stomping. If Void does what he typically does as shown in a comic, he'll possibly beat Thor, but he won't stomp him.

If he isn't using his molecular powers neither is Thor bfring him since he hardly ever does it.

When Void wants you dead you die, Morgana, Loki, Ares.

Void can rip him apart while crushing the Hulk's bones while on the toilet dropping void turds.

hmm... an all out Void should be able to NEARLY stomp Thor. The fact remains that Siege was Avengers Vs. Void. Emphasis on the word nearly because I know Thor has decades of tremendous feats and Void doesn't. But his few recent showings should give the idea to readers he is far beyond herald or even high herald level. Bottom line is Void > Thor when he wants to.

anyhoo... I think I'll end this discussion with this. Prolly end the thread too. =P
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287
straight out of the horses mouth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bob wasn't the main personality and wasn't weakening the character prior to him being jarred loose.

If he isn't using his molecular powers neither is Thor bfring him since he hardly ever does it.

When Void wants you dead you die, Morgana, Loki, Ares.

Void can rip him apart while crushing the Hulk's bones while on the toilet dropping void turds.

So it still stands that a powerful enough stimuli can force Bob to come to and scream for death. Thor can provide an exceptionally powerful "wake up call".

Thor has used BFRing either through physical means or through opening portals far more than Void has been alluded to or even shown using molecular manipulation. Thor is also more adept and skilled in BFR than Void is in molecular manipulation outside of his own body. And yes, Void has far less showings than Thor, but even so, his molecular manip that was shown was hardly weildly enough to afford him a sure fire victory using it.

All people with durability and defenses far less than what Thor has shown.

But he didn't and couldn't.

"Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."

Interesting... mmm

Just proves Thor >>> Void/Sentry

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not even close

remember thor soloing zelia who was amping from odin's energies? mangog? jormangand? fafnir? etc

killing void was a "meh" showing for thor, as void did no damage compared to a ton of thor's great opponents.

Of course. It is me after all.

I'm trying to make Quan feel better.

Zelia was a really uber showing. She was a Skyfather at her original levels and even defeated Asgard in the original battle as. After attacking Thor, she called the Union and combined the power of all the Dark Gods (Beings like Perrikus who are easily Top Tier characters.) and on top of everything, she had already drained Odin of his power and added it to her own. Thor gets angry and one shots the poor girl. She was definitely Cosmic by that point. To be fair, he did use the God Blast.

I like the fact that Thor's most powerful attack uses his own Godly Energies as the source of the power. Give's us some clue as to how much power Thor truly possesses.