Thor vs Void Sentry

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."

Interesting... mmm

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So it still stands that a powerful enough stimuli can force Bob to come to and scream for death. Thor can provide an exceptionally powerful "wake up call".

Thor has used BFRing either through physical means or through opening portals far more than Void has been alluded to or even shown using molecular manipulation. Thor is also more adept and skilled in BFR than Void is in molecular manipulation outside of his own body. And yes, Void has far less showings than Thor, but even so, his molecular manip that was shown was hardly weildly enough to afford him a sure fire victory using it.

All people with durability and defenses far less than what Thor has shown.

But he didn't and couldn't.

I never said he defeats him like he did MM but physically beating his head in or simply using tendrils to crush him sure seemed to work.

Thor didn't bfr the Void in both showings against him so it's not a likely option.

So what? We saw Thor almost killed by the ufoes and norman whose power is nowhere near the Void's who has no limits. Ripping Thor apart wouldn't be even impressive by Void standards.
So he can't rip him apart despite his powers having no limits and what we've already seen him do already to his brother and ares?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Of course. It is me after all.

I'm trying to make Quan feel better.

Zelia was a really uber showing. She was a Skyfather at her original levels and even defeated Asgard in the original battle as. After attacking Thor, she called the Union and combined the power of all the Dark Gods (Beings like Perrikus who are easily Top Tier characters.) and on top of everything, she had already drained Odin of his power and added it to her own. Thor gets angry and one shots the poor girl. She was definitely Cosmic by that point. To be fair, he did use the God Blast.

I like the fact that Thor's most powerful attack uses his own Godly Energies as the source of the power. Give's us some clue as to how much power Thor truly possesses.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."

Interesting... mmm

Hahaha. Bendis is such a fickle ****. Look at him trying to cover up his tracks because Thor killed the Sentry. Wasn't he preaching that Sentry was basically God not long ago?

At least this supports my stance. Sentry was never one to be in control. He was the clueless side while the Void was the competent side. And eventually it became the dominant side.

And that stupid notion that Void > Molecule Man got thrown out the window with that little tidbit. He's sure as hell not some all powerful being according to Bendis. Just a lying, crazy, sack of shit.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hahaha. Bendis is such a fickle ****. Look at him trying to cover up his tracks because Thor killed the Sentry. Wasn't he preaching that Sentry was basically God not long ago?

At least this supports my stance. Sentry was never one to be in control. He was the clueless side while the Void was the competent side. And eventually it became the dominant side.

no joke

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No one's disputing that. But Void isn't shitstomping Thor unless you ignore Thor's high end feats but at the same time want to use Void's own high end feats to support your stance.

void doesnt have low feats...soo i dont get what ur saying...on average he is a team wrecker.

I'm thoroughly convinced they haven't decided what Void was/is. Bendis has alluded to that much, which enables the artists to each portray him differently with their art. I for one don't get how some jacked up version of the Super Soldier Serum can turn you into the Angel of Death.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
they stated the void was *giggles* the god of the old testement's power.

no joke

Yea. I was like WTF when I read the Moses scene in Dark Avengers.

Clearly he wanted Sentry/Void to be this all powerful God Like Being. He went from Matter Manipulator, to God, to Angel of Death etc. in like the span of a few issues.

If you ask me, I think it would be better if someone wrote an issue explaining that the Sentry is a reality manipulator and reality changes to suit his whims. Hence why he has so many different takes on him. Not unlike Magician from the Ultimate Universe (Come to think of it, his like the Ultimate Universe's Sentry. Warping reality unconsciously.).

Originally posted by iceman24567
Just proves Thor >>> Void/Sentry

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Of course. It is me after all.

I'm trying to make Quan feel better.

Zelia was a really uber showing. She was a Skyfather at her original levels and even defeated Asgard in the original battle as. After attacking Thor, she called the Union and combined the power of all the Dark Gods (Beings like Perrikus who are easily Top Tier characters.) and on top of everything, she had already drained Odin of his power and added it to her own. Thor gets angry and one shots the poor girl. She was definitely Cosmic by that point. To be fair, he did use the God Blast.

I like the fact that Thor's most powerful attack uses his own Godly Energies as the source of the power. Give's us some clue as to how much power Thor truly possesses.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."

Interesting... mmm

it cant lol...i really was hoping for an explanation of the void...and i didnt get it...kinda pissed me off

the only way the serum made him the angel of death would be if it some how allowed him to tap into that power sources some how.

just throwing it out ther but he could end up being miracle man...and void is kid miracle man...the story reed said to franklin is true and they came in from their universe. They forgot who they were and now made up these personas to substitutes. The thing that reed read in the diary was miracle man secret word!..that is why it seemed he didnt really know what he was reading...idk...sentry is wayyyyy to confusing of a character...thats all i kno

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does it?

Making me feel better? Hah. This after the last few months of Hulk and Norman smacking Thor around like you have any room to talk. Void was shown to be greater than Thor and it required a team to beat him by chance and chance alone. The feat still happened though and bendis already stated he had reality matter manipulation powers. Where did you pull this from anyways?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that wasn't a god blast, he said he focused the power of a thousand hurricanes into his body, focused it, and then fired it (from memory). the godblast is supposed to be him using his life-force in which he fires through mjolnir which can barely contain the strain.

Nah. He claimed he summoned a storm, the most powerful storm ever conceived, a storm of living rage etc. One that could be focused through him, his Godly Energies becoming one with the hammer supreme. Then he blasted her. It was in the 12th issue of Vol. 2 as I recall.

I was confused when I read it at first. I believe when he stated he summoned a storm, he didn't mean a storm in the normal sense but a storm inside of him. Hence besides some lightning, there wasn't any actual storm like effects.

all bob has is the resurrection of himself and lindy, seemingly creation and ability to sustain (subconsciously) his tower, beating MM at his own game, and the cosmic cube containment thing to entertain that thought.

i still think that thor could absorb the energies that bob gives off (the void is just an energy construct around him). hulk already made him overuse his powers

Originally posted by bbrem123
it cant lol...i really was hoping for an explanation of the void...and i didnt get it...kinda pissed me off

the only way the serum made him the angel of death would be if it some how allowed him to tap into that power sources some how.

just throwing it out ther but he could end up being miracle man...and void is kid miracle man...the story reed said to franklin is true and they came in from their universe. They forgot who they were and now made up these personas to substitutes. The thing that reed read in the diary was miracle man secret word!..that is why it seemed he didnt really know what he was reading...idk...sentry is wayyyyy to confusing of a character...thats all i kno

Miracle Man doesn't deserve to have Sentry's phucked up back story shoved onto him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Making me feel better? Hah. This after the last few months of Hulk and Norman smacking Thor around like you have any room to talk.

Smacking Thor around? You mean Osborn doing a flying punch at Thor right after he was blasted by his full power along with that of Vector, Moonstone, X-ray, Magma? Thor doesn't weight that much (650 pounds I believe.) and physics just took effect.

According to you, Thor never lost in that fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nah. He claimed he summoned a storm, the most powerful storm ever conceived, a storm of living rage etc. One that could be focused through him, his Godly Energies becoming one with the hammer supreme. Then he blasted her. It was in the 12th issue of Vol. 2 as I recall.

I was confused when I read it at first. I believe when he stated he summoned a storm, he didn't mean a storm in the normal sense but a storm inside of him. Hence besides some lightning, there wasn't any actual storm like effects.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
all bob has is the resurrection of himself and lindy, seemingly creation and ability to sustain (subconsciously) his tower, beating MM at his own game, and the cosmic cube containment thing to entertain that thought.

i still think that thor could absorb the energies that bob gives off (the void is just an energy construct around him). hulk already made him overuse his powers

Definitely possible. The closest Mjolnir has come to being overloaded, was when Thor attempted to contain the energies of a reactor so powerful, it nullified the 616. He couldn't hold the energy for long. And that didn't seem to be the traditional "Absorb the energy into the hammer." type move.

By that same logic, it took a team to beat Thor, just like it took a team to beat Void. I still don't get why people think that's some kind of low showing for Thor. Hell, Sentry, frankly, has far more embarassing showings.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
either way, he could have done that to sentry

I doubt Bendis actually knows Thor can do anything besides throw lightning.

This guy has his own take on every character. His clueless.