Nobody is arguing than the Void loses here, simply the bizarre notion of him stomping Thor, specially in a forum fight where Thor can use his many years of feats to even the field.
If Sentry wanted to die. How did Bob ever managed to wrestle control against the all-might Void? Void was weakened by his enemies and eventually became too weak to sustain his form. It happened before against Hulk, its in the character.
Originally posted by Bentley
Nobody is arguing than the Void loses here, simply the bizarre notion of him stomping Thor, specially in a forum fight where Thor can use his many years of feats to even the field.If Sentry wanted to die. How did Bob ever managed to wrestle control against the all-might Void? Void was weakened by his enemies and eventually became too weak to sustain his form. It happened before against Hulk, its in the character.
QFT.
It's just odd how one can instantly cite Sentry/Void's single best feat ever as the norm for him when it's obvious it's one of his high end feats. And even with said feat, Thor has several on panel feats of either resisting total disintegration, transmutation, or the manipulation of his own molecules.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankSo this was retconned into not being a free shot in the tie-in?
Only they weren't free shots at all. The Thor Siege tie-ins reveals that much.
Very nice.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankMolecule Man totally needed to destroy a galaxy in order for him not to be considered his weakest portrayal when Sentry beat him. Like right away. Boof. I destroy ze galaxy folks, I iz powaful!
Only they weren't free shots at all. The Thor Siege tie-ins reveals that much.Void one-shotting one of the weakest portrayed Molecule Man's ever is a good feat, I'm guessing? Donald Blake broke his nose with a punch. It's obvious his durability is off the charts. Had Void beat a Molecule Man who was ravaging the entire planet or galaxy, I'd be more willing to hype him up. Loki w/ Norn Stones was doing something right, I'd imagine. And it's not like Thor hasn't beaten an amped Loki before, so forgive me if I don't think that's an OMG WTF feat.
I luvz your logic.
Molecule Man was handling everything but Void casually. There was no mention that he was depowered. You're drawing conclusions based on nothing to support your stance.
Void casually ripping apart Loki w/Norn Stones while Thor is helpless is totally irrelevant, because Thor has totally beaten an amped Loki! I totally agree, my logic driven friend.
Originally posted by Philosophía
So this was retconned into not being a free shot in the tie-in?Very nice.
Molecule Man totally needed to destroy a galaxy in order for him not to be considered his weakest portrayal when Sentry beat him. Like right away. Boof. I destroy ze galaxy folks, I iz powaful!
I luvz your logic.
It's not like Owen was handling everything but the Void casually, not even a mention that he was depowered.
Void casually ripping apart Loki w/Norn Stones while Thor is helpless is totally irrelevant, I agree my logic-driven friend. Because Thor has totally beaten an amped Loki!
No, more like in the tie-in Sentry was fighting Thor and the two were displayed as exchanging blow for blow. 😬
Um, Molecule Man needs to do something a bit more impressive than what he did for people's wanking of said feat to even make sense. Unless of course you think that Molecule Man was even close to what he's truly capable of as shown from comics. And if he wasn't, then why blow said feat out of the water completely? It's hilarious how people cling to this feat like their only child when arguing for Sentry when he's done next to nothing to match said feat since while at the same time being ignorant or ignoring Thor's feats. Hell, they considered a single nuke might be able to stop Owen in same issue.
Thor has tanked/endured attacks which have bowled over or would have wrecked or even killed Loki. Loki w/Norn Stones durability doesn't come close to rivaling Thor's best in the same area. Thor's durability is also greater than Ares, so using those two examples of Void "stomping" isn't much of an argument, if it is at all.
Originally posted by BentleyThe one he received after being attacked en-masse by the heroes. I say a better gauge is to look at what he was doing before the subsequent amp took place since that.. you know.. relevant to what we're discussing.
Nobody seems to care either the beatdown Void received after Loki died which made him lost his form.
Look at Thor totally not being stomped by Void again. Where does the god of thunder's power end ?!
I have no problem with Thor holding his own against Void, hitting him etc I only have problem with him being able to kill him with a lightning and with Sentry getting hurt by the hellicarier after its been established that he cant be killed at all. Other than PIS the only logical explanation would be - Bob helped Thor kill him and in that case that shouldnt be used in Thor's favor in a vs forum.
Originally posted by Philosophía
The one he received after being attacked en-masse by the heroes. I say a better gauge is to look at what he was doing before the subsequent amp took place since that.. you know.. relevant to what we're discussing.Look at Thor totally not being stomped by Void again. Where does the god of thunder's power end ?!
Yes, because being on the ground in pain translates into stompage. And even more so because Thor wasn't even at 100% full health to begin with when he first engaged Void. 😐
Originally posted by JakeTheBankYou mean the one where he was portrayed as fighting normal, yellow eyes Sentry, contrary to what's been portrayed in the main series where he fights Voided out Sentry (who lets him have the free shot) and then the full fledged Void, who casually handles him, and even has him on the ground crying in pain, before the norn stone amp came in?
No, more like in the tie-in Sentry was fighting Thor and the two were displayed as exchanging blow for blow. 😬
Yes, relevancy again.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThat's not how things work.
Um, Molecule Man needs to do something a bit more impressive than what he did for people's wanking of said feat to even make sense. Unless of course you think that Molecule Man was even close to what he's truly capable of as shown from comics. And if he wasn't, then why blow said feat out of the water completely?
Characters don't need to blow galaxies in order to demonstrate their power on every appearance. That is idiotic.
Unless you have hard evidence that Molecule Man was far off from what should be his powerlevel, it's a laughable stance to go all "You have to prove that he isn't weak, because he didn't destroy a galaxy!".
I've noticed logic really seems to deteriorate dramatically once most Thor related discussions progress on this board.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor has tanked/endured attacks which have bowled over or would have wrecked or even killed Loki. Loki w/Norn Stones durability doesn't come close to rivaling Thor's best in the same area. Thor's durability is also greater than Ares, so using those two examples of Void "stomping" isn't much of an argument, if it is at all.
You're right. Casually overpowering Loki w/Norn Stones and ripping him apart while Thor is helpless to stop Void, is totally in.. Thor's ballpark.
Where have I brought up Ares?
Originally posted by SamZED
I have no problem with Thor holding his own against Void, hitting him etc I only have problem with him being able to kill him with a lightning and with Sentry getting hurt by the hellicarier after its been established that he cant be killed at all. Other than PIS the only logical explanation would be - Bob helped Thor kill him and in that case that shouldnt be used in Thor's favor in a vs forum.
I would say there are grounds to say Void reverts to Bob after taking so much damage.
Thor wincing in pain at that attack would be much more relevant if Captain America didn't block the very same attack with his shield 😬
We all see its a PIS filled issue, but I don't translate it into being exclusively PIS against Void.
Originally posted by Philosophía
It was foreshadowed in Dark Avengers that Sentry/Bob/Void can only die when he truly whishes to do so, and made clear in this issue that he does -- thus the ending with him begging Thor to end it.Sentry has destroyed Asgard and killed Loki, with Thor was helpless in both instances. To act like he was portrayed as anywhere near powerful enough to stop Void on his own is quite the narrow-minded view, and ignoring the fact that Void had already fought Thor once and easily handled him (Siege #3), took on Norn Ston amped heroes, withstood and killed Loki, got attacked by Thor/Hellcarrier again -which allowed Bob to regain control, and ask Thor to die- and then Thor got the final shot with him specifically asking to be killed.
Void for the stomp, still.
thank you! 👆
Originally posted by Philosophía
You mean the one where he was portrayed as fighting normal, yellow eyes Sentry, contrary to what's been portrayed in the main series where he fights Voided out Sentry (who lets him have the free shot) and then the full fledged Void, who casually handles him, and even has him on the ground crying in pain, before the norn stone amp came in?
It was part of the same fight. 😐 The tide turned in Void's favor when he Voided out. Any person who read it can see that much.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, relevancy again.That's not how things work.
Characters don't need to blow galaxies in order to demonstrate their power on every appearance. That is idiotic.
Unless you have hard evidence that Molecule Man was far off from what should be his powerlevel, it's a laughable stance to go all "You have to prove that he isn't weak, because he didn't destroy a galaxy!"
So basically, Molecule Man was operating at his standard far beyond High Herald power levels when it has been shown repeatedly that when the timid dumbass Owen persona is in control he's far weaker/capable than he is as when he's in raving Molecule Man mode. If you can't look at the issue and detirmine that that showing of Molecule Man was one of his weaker ones based on what he has done, then I don't know how to help you. I guess I could suggest reading more comics and being familiar with all feats as a whole, but that would derail the notion of a Void stomp now, wouldn't it.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I've noticed logic really seems to deteriorate dramatically once most Thor related discussions progress on this board.
Irony.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You're right. Casually overpowering Loki w/Norn Stones and ripping him apart while [b]Thor is helpless to stop Void, is totally in.. Thor's ballpark.Where have I brought up Ares? [/B]
Here.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I guess he's lucky that Osborn saved his ass by sending Sentry to destroy Asgard, or he would have gotten the Ares treatment.
To suggest Void can do the same thing he did to two characters with inferior durability or defenses against being literally torn apart is asinine.
Originally posted by bbrem123
philosophia has pretty much said everything perfectly...the few that think thor wins are just arguing because they dont want void to be more powerful.(and going against what the comics blatantly portray to us.)
I'm pretty sure mostly everyone here agrees that Void wins.
In a forum setting without PIS or plot though, he isn't stomping Thor unless you just throw all of his feats out the window.
