Originally posted by bbrem123
philosophia has pretty much said everything perfectly...the few that think thor wins are just arguing because they dont want void to be more powerful.(and going against what the comics blatantly portray to us.)
Nobody is saying Thor wins.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Because we all know how shitty Cap's shield is.
I know the shield is uber, the idea of Thor being unable to mount a defense while Cap manages to do it is quite absurd to be honest.
Uhm, it's quite obvious the only thing which saved the heroes was him reverting back to Bob and begging for Thor to kill him. When Thor disagreed he turned back into the Void to give him the motivation he needed to do so. With that being said Void rapes Thor over and over again. There was nothing to stop Void from annihilating all the heroes save his guilt. He could have done so easily and we all knew he was going to lose in siege 4 but what I can't understand is how Thor gets all the credit when
1)Void wasn't 100 percent either.
2)Thor had an entire team and even his own brother on his side against Void.
3)Void asked to be killed.
4)It's been made clear he lost because he wanted to lose. He's got something in common with Thanos here.
Now if another character goes to war with someone and takes on an entire team, handles them, kills one or so characters, and then asks to be killed do we assume the person who killed him can solo him when the character is still actively trying to prevail?
All in all Void stomps. It's the same as the last time the Void attacked earth the only person who could defeat Void was himself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm, it's quite obvious the only thing which saved the heroes was him reverting back to Bob and begging for Thor to kill him. When Thor disagreed he turned back into the Void to give him the motivation he needed to do so. With that being said Void rapes Thor over and over again. There was nothing to stop Void from annihilating all the heroes save his guilt. He could have done so easily and we all knew he was going to lose in siege 4 but what I can't understand is how Thor gets all the credit when1)Void wasn't 100 percent either.
2)Thor had an entire team and even his own brother on his side against Void.
3)Void asked to be killed.
4)It's been made clear he lost because he wanted to lose. He's got something in common with Thanos here.Now if another character goes to war with someone and takes on an entire team, handles them, kills one or so characters, and then asks to be killed do we assume the person who killed him can solo him when the character is still actively trying to prevail?
All in all Void stomps. It's the same as the last time the Void attacked earth the only person who could defeat Void was himself.
Agreed for the most part.
Although, Starlin really didn't need to "mental block" excuse... Not to mention, how would Warlock even be able to diagnose it? Is he an authority on pop psychology...?
But yeah, Sentry beat The Sentry, basically. He simply used Thor to do it.
Originally posted by quanchi112WB! 😎
Uhm, it's quite obvious the only thing which saved the heroes was him reverting back to Bob and begging for Thor to kill him. When Thor disagreed he turned back into the Void to give him the motivation he needed to do so. With that being said Void rapes Thor over and over again. There was nothing to stop Void from annihilating all the heroes save his guilt. He could have done so easily and we all knew he was going to lose in siege 4 but what I can't understand is how Thor gets all the credit when1)Void wasn't 100 percent either.
2)Thor had an entire team and even his own brother on his side against Void.
3)Void asked to be killed.
4)It's been made clear he lost because he wanted to lose. He's got something in common with Thanos here.Now if another character goes to war with someone and takes on an entire team, handles them, kills one or so characters, and then asks to be killed do we assume the person who killed him can solo him when the character is still actively trying to prevail?
All in all Void stomps. It's the same as the last time the Void attacked earth the only person who could defeat Void was himself.
was he temp banned or something? anyways i missed him too..
anyways sentry is has nothing similar to the great thanos of titan.. although in the siege thor did have a full team he also did not use all his various powers which he has full access to here which would make the fight somewhat different then in the comic
Originally posted by JakeTheBankPart of the same fight, yes, but what was depicted was normal Sentry going up against Thor. Can you tell me what we're discussing in this thread?
It was part of the same fight. 😐 The tide turned in Void's favor when he Voided out. Any person who read it can see that much.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankNothing shows otherwise. You're trying to prove something by using what you're trying to prove as evidence. Which made me smile. He was handling everyone with the utmost of ease, including Sentry who he easily tore apart, before the latter discovered his molecular control.
So basically, Molecule Man was operating at his standard far beyond High Herald power levels when it has been shown repeatedly that when the timid dumbass Owen persona is in control he's far weaker/capable than he is as when he's in raving Molecule Man mode. If you can't look at the issue and detirmine that that showing of Molecule Man was one of his weaker ones based on what he has done, then I don't know how to help you. I guess I could suggest reading more comics and being familiar with all feats as a whole, but that would derail the notion of a Void stomp now, wouldn't it.
He wasn't even hinted, much less stated to be weaker than before, and nothing in the issue even suggests as such.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank😂
Here.To suggest Void can do the same thing he did to two characters with inferior durability or defenses against being literally torn apart is asinine.
Saying that Thor was lucky Void went to destroy Asgard instead of giving him the Ares treatment isn't the same thing as saying that Void ripping Ares in half proves he can do so to Thor.
I know your mind went totally blank when reading "Thor Sentry Void Ares treatment", but try to comprehend the sentences.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Part of the same fight, yes, but what was depicted was normal Sentry going up against Thor. Can you tell me what we're discussing in this thread?
We're discussing Void Sentry, who didn't stomp Thor. 🙂 Portrayed to be superior, but not stomp him. He entangled Thor in one of his tentacles, left to attack Asgard, and started to unleash his Void lightning/energy discharge every which way, something that I'm pretty sure Mjolnir provides an adequate defense against in a forum setting, especially if Cap's shield did the same thing in a single comic.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Nothing shows otherwise. You're trying to prove something by using what you're trying to prove as evidence. Which made me smile. He was handling everyone with the utmost of ease, including Sentry who he easily tore apart, before the latter discovered his molecular control.
Nothing shows otherwise except what happened, which, y'know, proves my point. You can claim that was a fully competent/powered Molecule Man. You'd be wrong, but you can claim it.
Originally posted by Philosophía
😂Saying that Thor was lucky Void went to destroy Asgard instead of giving him the Ares treatment isn't the same thing as saying that Void ripping Ares in half proves he can do so to Thor.
I know your mind went totally blank when reading "Thor Sentry Void Ares treatment", but try to comprehend the sentences.
Then why bother stating Thor was lucky Void didn't give him the Ares treatment? Unless you wanted to imply that Void could rip him in half, like...uh, Ares, there's no reason to even bring Ares into it. The only one not comprehending here, is you.
So, if you use all of Thor's high end feats like we've done with Void/Sentry, he still gets stomped in your opinion?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankDidn't I just describe to you how Void stomped Sentry by giving him free shots and then restraining him casually, leaving to destroy Asgard while Thor stood helpless, coming back and stomping on Thor again who is crying in pain on the ground, Loki intervening to amp the heroes, when Void turns his attention twoards him, and kills him with Thor watching helpless, again?
We're discussing Void Sentry, who didn't stomp Thor. 🙂
And then you used scans from tie-ins that didn't even depict the same version from the main series of the characters going up against eachother as proof, and I pointed out why it's invalid?
Now you're going "Nuh-uh!"? 😂
Lawlz.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankDescribe what happened that proved Molecule Man was depowered.
Nothing shows otherwise except what happened
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Then why bother stating Thor was lucky Void didn't give him the Ares treatment? Unless you wanted to imply that Void could rip him in half, like...uh, Ares, there's no reason to even bring Ares into it. The only one not comprehending here, is you.So, if you use all of Thor's high end feats like we've done with Void/Sentry, he still gets stomped in your opinion?
Yes, I was implying Void would kill him like Ares. And no, I didn't use Void being able to do so to Ares as evidence of him being able to do so to Thor. It's quite simple, really. If you need (which, I think you do) analogies to understand it better, I'll use them.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Didn't I just describe to you how Void stomped Sentry by giving him free shots and then restraining him casually, leaving to destroy Asgard while Thor stood helpless, coming back and stomping on Thor again who is crying in pain on the ground, Loki intervening to amp the heroes, when Void turns his attention twoards him, and kills him with Thor watching helpless, again?Now you're going "Nuh-uh!"? 😂
Lawlz.
Describe what happened that proved Molecule Man was depowered.
Yes, I was implying Void would kill him like Ares. And no, I didn't use Void being able to do so to Ares as evidence of him being able to do so to Thor. It's quite simple, really. If you need (which, I think you do) analogies to understand it better, I'll use then,
Void stomped Sentry?
His entire mindset proves that much. If you know anything about Molecule Man, which I'm sure you do and are only supporting the feat in full to further your view point here, his powers are dependent on his mindset and personality. Everything in that comic pointed to that Molecule Man being the timid Owen Reece persona that gets sonned by the Fantastic Four and Avengers, not the highly dangerous and psychotic Molecule Man persona who is a universal threat. His feats say that much. And yeah, if Molecule Man was doing rather tame things with his powers such as he did, it's obvious he wasn't going all out or using his powers to their full extent.
Too bad nothing supports that notion of Void being able to rip Thor apart physically. And too bad Thor has more defenses against such a thing than Ares does. And too bad Thor has several on panel instances of resisting matter manipulation/transmutation/molecular tampering, etc.
I don't see what's not to get.
Also:
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, if you use all of Thor's high end feats like we've done with Void/Sentry, he still gets stomped in your opinion?
Originally postead by JakeTheBank😂
Void stomped Sentry?
I'm going to borrow this from quan.
Concession accepted.
Originally postead by JakeTheBankSo nothing happened that actually proved he was depowered like you said it did but instead, you're basing it soley on the speculation that at the mindset he was at, he couldn't have been that powerful (which I'm going to adress).
His entire mindset proves that much. If you know anything about Molecule Man, which I'm sure you do and are only supporting the feat in full to further your view point here, his powers are dependent on his mindset and personality. Everything in that comic pointed to that Molecule Man being the timid Owen Reece persona that gets sonned by the Fantastic Four and Avengers, not the highly dangerous and psychotic Molecule Man persona who is a universal threat. His feats say that much. And yeah, if Molecule Man was doing rather tame things with his powers such as he did, it's obvious he wasn't going all out or using his powers to their full extent.
Tame things like what, easily handling all of the Avengers simultaneously and ripping Sentry apart casually? You're stuck on the "He haz to destroy the galaxy!!". No, he doesn't. Not only that doesn't work in the context of the story, where he just wanted to be left alone and isn't going to go on galaxy busting for no reason, but it's a simple fact that a character doesn't have to show how powerful he is every story-arc he appears in in order for us to assume that he is still at that same level.
Molecule Man, even in the 'tame' state you're describing him, is still far above conventional top tiers. Extremly so. I'd say you're the one who doesn't really have a clue on the character.
I'm not going to pursue the other space-taking part of the post, since it diverts away from what was the initial point of our discussion.
Void has and will stomp Thor.
Originally posted by Philosophía
😂I'm going to borrow this from quan.
Concession accepted.
So nothing happened that actually proved he was depowered like you said it did but instead, you're basing it soley on the speculation that at the mindset he was at, he couldn't have been that powerful (which I'm going to adress).
Tame things like what, easily handling all of the Avengers simultaneously and ripping Sentry apart casually? You're stuck on the "He haz to destroy the galaxy!!". No, he doesn't. Not only that doesn't work in the context of the story, where he just wanted to be left alone and isn't going to go on galaxy busting for no reason, but it's a simple fact that a character doesn't have to show how powerful he is every story-arc he appears in in order for us to assume that he is still at that same level.
Molecule Man, even in the 'tame' state you're describing him, is still far above conventional top tiers. Extremly so. I'd say you're the one who doesn't really have a clue on the character.
I'm not going to pursue the other space-taking part of the post, since it diverts away from what was the initial point of our discussion.
So, you have nothing of merit to add to this, much less "address" then?
Cool.
Nice to see you've kept dodging the single question that actually will determine how this fight will go on a forum setting instead of a complete rehash of Siege #4.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, if you use all of Thor's high end feats like we've done with Void/Sentry, he still gets stomped in your opinion?
It's not hard to answer, even if you answer wrongly.
I only answered what you wrongfully challenged. It was Siege that we were debating, and which you lost. It was Void's fight against Molecule Man that we were discussing, and in which you failed to prove anything, except an inabiltiy to sustain your arguments with any kind of sensible evidence for your stance.
If you want to go "But lets like go high for high feat, thats what I wanna do, dont ignore me" that's fine, but don't act like it was anything but what I just said.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Phil that's low. 😂
I know. 🙁