Superman vs. Void/Sentry

Started by Johnny Sorrow11 pages
Originally posted by bbrem123
oo come on now...that is the most fail of a statement i have read in a while...that is ur argument now...very laughable
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Yeah, I know it sounds like a cop-out: "He's just LYING about everything!" Not what I'm saying.

posted that after u edited...so what r u saying then...he is lying or he has the power...cant go both ways there buddy....seems like ur believe what u want to believe so sentry doesnt seem that powerful

Originally posted by bbrem123
posted that after u edited...so what r u saying then...he is lying or he has the power...cant go both ways there buddy....seems like ur believe what u want to believe so sentry doesnt seem that powerful

Of course I edited it, to make it clear.

Honestly, I don't know. I would have to go through all his appearances. The Void is very manipulative, somewhat like Lucifer. He may speak the truth when it helps him, he may lie and claim things for the same reason. You really believe all the stuff he told Lindy about Biblical prophecy and such?

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
He says he can control his own molecules. Making the werewolf in his hands is evidence of that. He's supposed to be better at it than Molecule Man, yet he can't duplicate MM's feats during the arc? He needed to force MM to bring the people back, when he allegedly could have done it himself. Yet you'll claim that he was doing it to intimidate MM or some bull.

I don't mean 'tasting' in the literal sense, and I never did. It may mean something significant when he says that, it may be a personality quirk to describe him experiencing something quite different. Even then he doesn't have feats to contest with Surfer in molecular manipulation, not even when Surfer first arrived on Earth. Again, ABC logic does not work. Him beating Molecule Man doesn't mean he's stronger or that he can duplicate the same feats.

His tower disappeared after he died, implying that it was a construct of his mind.

SS is a better matter manipulator than void and has acomplished far more complex and sophisticated feats. But that's finesse, not raw power. The sentry has more power than SS and MM. He couldn't duplicate MM feats because he is stupid and inexperienced - MM's intellect and awareness should be freakshly expanded by now btw, even if this last showing of his displays him as somewhat crippled by emotional problems, and the SS has CA

The reasons the void doesn't do everyone like he did MM and Loki are PIS and CIS.

i didnt say i did...he said he was galactus and he is obviously not galactus...lindy said he was biblical...all we kno is he had something to do with that time and being the black plague...other then that who the hell knows what he is...oo and we have the crazy osborn yelling he is the angel of death so who knows...to be honest tho even tho he was crazy he knew the most about sentry and what he was...that is why he feared him so much..but he was crazyy sooooo lol.

i have a feeling reed now knows what the sentry really is after reading his diary...we will have to wait even more now to know his origin i guess...cuz bendis obviously didnt tell us shit about it

Originally posted by 753
The reasons the void doesn't do everyone like he did MM and Loki are PIS and CIS.

That's the reason why I'm posting in here. I'm trying to posit a theory of how the Sentry accomplishes his feats without resorting to claiming

A) Sentry is really powerful but PIS/CIS stops him from showing it all the time

B) Sentry isn't that powerful and everyone else is getting the PIS/CIS treatment to make him look better

Which is pretty much the two major positions in all his threads. I want to argue that all his feats are legitimate and all his appearances are valid, and if you believe A or B you can't hold that opinion.

Originally posted by bbrem123
i didnt say i did...he said he was galactus and he is obviously not galactus...lindy said he was biblical...all we kno is he had something to do with that time and being the black plague...other then that who the hell knows what he is...oo and we have the crazy osborn yelling he is the angel of death so who knows...to be honest tho even tho he was crazy he knew the most about sentry and what he was...that is why he feared him so much..but he was crazyy sooooo lol.

i have a feeling reed now knows what the sentry really is after reading his diary...we will have to wait even more now to know his origin i guess...cuz bendis obviously didnt tell us shit about it

Obviously not. But obviously (unless proven otherwise) he wasn't around during the time of Moses because Bob wasn't around during the time of Moses. The Sentry and the Void have only existed since Bob ingested the advanced SS serum. So who the hell knows what the Void was trying to do by claiming he was around back then?

Originally posted by The Nuul
Like that will ever happen...🙄

who asked you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He chose not to reform and just needed a killing blow. It's obvious because he was hit with blasts from Thor prior to and a lot worse than what actually took him out.

You don't need to give increasingly stronger hits to kill someone. I don't think that having Void tanking worse means that Thor hits won't do a thing in the long run.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
That's the reason why I'm posting in here. I'm trying to posit a theory of how the Sentry accomplishes his feats without resorting to claiming

A) Sentry is really powerful but PIS/CIS stops him from showing it all the time

B) Sentry isn't that powerful and everyone else is getting the PIS/CIS treatment to make him look better

Which is pretty much the two major positions in all his threads. I want to argue that all his feats are legitimate and all his appearances are valid, and if you believe A or B you can't hold that opinion.

Obviously not. But obviously (unless proven otherwise) he wasn't around during the time of Moses because Bob wasn't around during the time of Moses. The Sentry and the Void have only existed since Bob ingested the advanced SS serum. So who the hell knows what the Void was trying to do by claiming he was around back then?

i get where ur getting at but...they showed on panel evidence that void was in fact the black plague...im guess the serum made it possible for sentry to access those power...and i have a feeling the void has been around for a while. why else would they show us biblical times. and then have void do the exact same thing to NY in later issues

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
That's the reason why I'm posting in here. I'm trying to posit a theory of how the Sentry accomplishes his feats without resorting to claiming

A) Sentry is really powerful but PIS/CIS stops him from showing it all the time

B) Sentry isn't that powerful and everyone else is getting the PIS/CIS treatment to make him look better

Which is pretty much the two major positions in all his threads. I want to argue that all his feats are legitimate and all his appearances are valid, and if you believe A or B you can't hold that opinion.

Obviously not. But obviously (unless proven otherwise) he wasn't around during the time of Moses because Bob wasn't around during the time of Moses. The Sentry and the Void have only existed since Bob ingested the advanced SS serum. So who the hell knows what the Void was trying to do by claiming he was around back then?

Even the MM doesn't just turn his enemies into water or turn the air arround them into diamond, even though he could, he throws giant objects at them instead, but we all know how powerfull he is because of his other feats that don't suck.

The problem for characters like this, is that it is impossible to tell a story without crippling them with PIS or CIS, specially when they are villains and are supposed to lose, otherwise they'd wipe everyone out and end the plot.

PIS and CIS really are the simplest and most parsimonious explanation in this case.

Originally posted by bbrem123
i get where ur getting at but...they showed on panel evidence that void was in fact the black plague...im guess the serum made it possible for sentry to access those power...and i have a feeling the void has been around for a while. why else would they show us biblical times. and then have void do the exact same thing to NY in later issues

Wasn't that just an analogy? Saying he is something like the black plague or the biblical plagues of egypt, an unstoppable destructive force of uncomprehensible origin and mythical proportions.

Originally posted by 753
The problem for characters like this, is that it is impossible to tell a story without crippling them with PIS or CIS, specially when they are villains and are supposed to lose, otherwise they'd wipe everyone out and end the plot.

PIS and CIS really are the simplest and most parsimonious explanation in this case.

👆

what is PIS and CIS? also what do they stand for?

now i tend to let superman lose whenever i can, but one should not underestimate superman, or his feats. he has an uncanny ability to come out on top and he NEVER goes all out. i think he can pull a win out of his ass in both scenarios.

The Void impales Superman. 🙂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Void impales Superman. 🙂
Awesome you're the negative of Philosophia

And I knew it would come this way

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Awesome you're the negative of Philosophia

And I knew it would come this way


He's not nearly so condescending. 😛

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He's not nearly so condescending. 😛
hehe

But I saw it coming when Philo said that Void > Thor to indirectly use it to say Superman > Thor, he does the same just the other way.

Shame on you 2!!!! 😠

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Awesome you're the negative of Philosophia

And I knew it would come this way

I'm like a superior, more intelligent Erik with a better taste in characters.

Speaking of Superman vs Thor is the Battlezone (that should have been in February) still on?