LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
no, he couldn;t, because Link doesn't weigh enough. 😐 THE LAWS OF PHYSICS say so. No amount of strength lets you magicly anchor yourself, period. 😐 A larger mass in motion will still move you, regardless of strength. It's also worth noting TP Link is above GG levels by the end game, he stops Ganon.

At this point he is not though, he's still a "disgrace" at the point when he throws the giant Goron like a ragdoll. you're a lost cause if you can't see the super strength. You have to be intentionally closing your eyes and pretending it isn't there.

I have a question who did Link ever overpower without the boots?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I could say the same about you. One thing is certain he needed both the boots and the sumo skill to do so which takes away from the ridiculous notion he had superstrength. Either way he can only do so when he has the boots on.

I have a question who did Link ever overpower without the boots?

Also, Link didn't need any training, he bested Bo when Bo tested him. 😬 He was not trained. Also you cannot "train" someone to throw a giant Goron, that requires super strength.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganondorf. 🙂

Also, Link didn't need any training, he bested Bo when Bo tested him. 😬 He was not trained. Also you cannot "train" someone to throw a giant Goron, that requires super strength.

If he didn't need any training then I guess that was just a trick by the game for something you really didn't need. I am glad you saw through this elaborate ruse. You can train them to utilize sumo training and with the iron boots he achieved this.

He eventually bests Bo but it depends on the skill level of the player how and when that occurs.

When did he overpower Ganondorf?

Sumo training magicly lets you through giant super strong living rocks? I need to learn to Sumo wrestle. haermm

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't have superstrength and neither did the mayor. You just needed to master the skills of sumo while wearing iron boots to match up against them.

No. The Mayor didn't have superstrength, but Link does. I don't think you appreciate that all Bo had to do was move a Goron a few feet, and Link had to stop one moving several miles per hour, pick it up, and then toss it.

That's why I said he wouldn't need the training just the boots. he still gets the boots but if he was as strong as you say he wouldn't need the training.

Training always helps, but wasn't necessary for that. He didn't need it, because all he had to do was stand in front of the goron and hold out his hands.

I understand this but the mayor beating someone who weighs more with his boots alone means all you need is skill and the boots to shove them around.

But not to the extent that Link did. They are different feats by vastly different people. Link picked the Gorons up, something the boots wouldn't help with.

The boots and the training were required so it's not a strength feat. he needed gear to pull it off which altered his weight and gave him added strength making it not a strength feat.

No, no, and no. He trained for sumo wrestling, not stopping several tons of rock moving very quickly.

Yes, I do recall the goats and he's strong but nowhere near superstrength. Didn't the mayor also know how to stop the goats meaning that's all technique as well.

It is nowhere near "all technique." Bo is heavier than goat, as well as fairly strong for a human, so its no surprise he could stop a goat.

Sumos have sheer mass and in this game Link needed training and an anchor for the feat.

Boots give him more mass and make him heavier. The training was for something completely different.

Yes, you can plainly see Link moving backwards until Midna overpowers him herself. This is actually plain to see. Thanks.

Did we watch the same video? You can quite clearly see Link holding his ground against Ganon. He was pushed back at first because he didn't have the boots there.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It was 50 tons lifted overhead, or 200 000 joules.

Base=anchor=eg leg strength. Hold up Wolf Link (who is weaker, not saying weak, then Link) stopped a heavy and powerful Ganon.

Im thinking we stop now that you said the swordlock part as im gonna bring up the 'different forms = different feats', 'knocked out doesn't mean stronger' and ' GG not active', which will just add 3 or more things to argue about. As we have Link being stronger, doesn't really matter if its 70 tons or GG pillar tons as 70 makes him stronger then then strongest LoK person.

No. The Mayor didn't have superstrength

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Sword lock in the final battle,and stops Beast Ganon's charge, too.

Sumo training magicly lets you through giant super strong living rocks? I need to learn to Sumo wrestle. haermm

That's another gameplay thing and you don't have to lock swords with ganondorf so after everything you have nothing to believe he is superstrong.

The mayor defeated a Goron person in a sumo match with iron boots so why is it hard to believe?

Originally posted by BloodRain
At least this can be easily agreed upon. Now back to the headbutt.

Base=anchor=eg leg strength. Hold up Wolf Link (who is weaker, not saying weak, then Link) stopped a heavy and powerful Ganon.

Im thinking we stop now that you said the swordlock part as im gonna bring up the 'different forms = different feats', 'knocked out doesn't mean stronger' and ' GG not active', which will just add 3 or more things to argue about. As we have Link being stronger, doesn't really matter if its 70 tons or GG pillar tons as 70 makes him stronger then then strongest LoK person.

Bo was able to beat Gorons in a sumo match. Puts him in the super-strength category.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you include another feat from wolf form for regular Link and on top of that he had help from Midna while he is being shoved back anyways.

That's another gameplay thing and you don't have to lock swords with ganondorf so after everything you have nothing to believe he is superstrong.

The mayor defeated a Goron person in a sumo match with iron boots so why is it hard to believe?

haermm You don't need to lock swords with Ganondorf? Have you beaten the game yet? No, you haven't... YES YOU DO. This is the only way to win.

No, show me the quote that says Bo actually won a match, if you do not have the quote, you are assuming. No assumptions.

Originally posted by The Scenario
No. The Mayor didn't have superstrength, but Link does. I don't think you appreciate that all Bo had to do was move a Goron a few feet, and Link had to stop one moving several miles per hour, pick it up, and then toss it.

Training always helps, but wasn't necessary for that. He didn't need it, because all he had to do was stand in front of the goron and hold out his hands.

But not to the extent that Link did. They are different feats by vastly different people. Link picked the Gorons up, something the boots wouldn't help with.

No, no, and no. He trained for sumo wrestling, not stopping several tons of rock moving very quickly.

It is nowhere near "all technique." Bo is heavier than goat, as well as fairly strong for a human, so its no surprise he could stop a goat.

Boots give him more mass and make him heavier. The training was for something completely different.

Did we watch the same video? You can quite clearly see Link holding his ground against Ganon. He was pushed back at first because he didn't have the boots there.

He needed the training though. In the game it's as simple as a push of a button and I didn't need to use any of the upper skills I was taught but they were required for the most part in the game. You might be able to not seek out the ancient warrior right after skill 4 but for the purposes of the game he needed them.

The boots did help with as it's obvious because you can't do it without the boots. Try grabbing a goron without the boots it's impossible proving they are needed for this feat disqualifying it from something Link can achieve without them.

Bo outsumo'd a Goron in a matchup so why can't he throw one? What proof do you have that this was impossible for him?

So why can Bo outwrestle a goron with the boots on? Does he weigh more than him with the boots on?

the training had to deal with the entire goron death mountain stuff. He needed the boots and the training/story wise to progress.

He was pushed back which you admit until Midna overpowered him. That's what actually happened.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
To which I respond that Link stopped beast Ganon, ect... Endless cycle.

Midna wasn't touching the gound, ALL of the force was on Link. 😐

haermm You don't need to lock swords with Ganondorf? Have you beaten the game yet? No, you haven't... YES YOU DO. This is the only way to win.

No, show me the quote that says Bo actually won a match, if you do not have the quote, you are assuming. No assumptions.

😂

Yes, I have and you don't have to clash swords with him and overpower him. It's a gameplay thing that is optional if you hit the a button when he charges you in the final boss battle. The only thing required is dishing out enough damage and finishing him when he's down. How you choose to fight him is up to you.

How don't you know any of this?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why does she have to be touching the ground when her hands are overpowering Ganon? If I stand on a stool and overpower someone with my hands did the stool aid me? I mean come on here.

Go do that. Sit on a stool, and push someone heavier than you, as hard as you can.

Pushing a tree or a heavy rock will also work.

OK several pages were done and ended with Link being stronger then Kain which we knew. Yay.

Numbers! That's what it was, LoK has an army of soldiers and one of whatevertheyrecalled that are stronger then humans. They can whittle the LoZ side until only the top tiers are left. Which will leave it as 10ish strong opponents vs 10ish strong and an army or two.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Go do that. Sit on a stool, and push someone heavier than you, as hard as you can.

Pushing a tree or a heavy rock will also work.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Sword lock in the final battle,and stops Beast Ganon's charge, too.

Sumo training magicly lets you through giant super strong living rocks? I need to learn to Sumo wrestle. haermm

YouTube video

1:20 without the Iron Boots. Everyone shut up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is I am doing all the overpowering. The question comes can I overpower this person before I get knocked off. Midna overpowers ganondorf before Link gets ran over.

Originally posted by BloodRain
OK several pages were done and ended with Link being stronger then Kain which we knew. Yay.

Numbers! That's what it was, LoK has an army of soldiers and one of whatevertheyrecalled that are stronger then humans. They can whittle the LoZ side until only the top tiers are left. Which will leave it as 10ish strong opponents vs 10ish strong and an army or two.

Have you ever taken a physics class? What you say is literally impossible.

Take your stool, the kind you sit on, and sit on it. Have someone walk at you. And see what happens when you try to stop them. Do it. All of this will become clear.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No. The reason Moo suggest you do that, is that all of the force will be applied to the stool, and it will tip over. Link didn't tip over, because he's really freakin' strong.

Originally posted by BloodRain
OK several pages were done and ended with Link being stronger then Kain which we knew. Yay.

Numbers! That's what it was, LoK has an army of soldiers and one of whatevertheyrecalled that are stronger then humans. They can whittle the LoZ side until only the top tiers are left. Which will leave it as 10ish strong opponents vs 10ish strong and an army or two.

There's still Ganondorf's army, the Twilight army, and Gorons/Zoras. Twilight Beast and Stalfos can regenerate pretty darn well, too.