LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
...facepalm

No amount of leg strength can anchor someone to that level, because Link's 200 lb+ body does not create enough friction, period. 😐 The laws of physics are with me. Link's legs clearly are at super human levels, because he didn't buckle over backwards when the Goron hit. 😬

So explain how small, light characters in other games or anything can eg stop a large moving object in its tracks if its not their strong base?

Leg strength would resist moving back if strong enough.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia

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You have no proof that a human couldn't lift it. It can move an enormous pillar because it's not a normal hammer.

In other words, Link has no superstrength since the power came from the Iron Boots.

No Goron was seen wielding it in gameplay and seeing the size of the thing, it would've been a one-handed weapon.

1. No he wouldn't. There are superstrength characters, not even in the upper strength levels, that did what TP Link has done and without weighing their selves down.

2. And without weights

3. Which means Link has no superstrength or Wolf Link only acted as the Iron Boots.

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It can move a giant pillar because it's heavy. You know, like in it's description.

LolWUT? No power came from the iron boots, you're being intentionally retarded? Link threw the Goron, and he was strong enough to stop it without buckling, too. No super strength? He stopped Ganon, no super strength? Overpowered Fyrus, no suiper strength? Sword locked Ganondorf, no super strength? Uhm.... Huh... GTFO.

It's heavy enough to force an insanely large pillar to move.

1. Those characters werre written by people without even a basic understanding of physics, then, because it is IMPOSSIBLE to do without being anchored. Link simply obeys the laws of physics in his game. This does not take away from the feat. OoT Link would have needed the boots too, he is not heavy enough without them.

These are the laws of physics, as observed by scientists, you cannot argue with them. 😐

2. Midna wasn't stopping a heavy mass, she was stabbign someone.

3. You're an idiot if you believe this, he stopped Ganon's charge.

So explain how small, light characters in other games or anything can eg stop a large moving object in its tracks if its not their strong base?

Easy, they defy the laws of physics because their writers aren't aware of them. 😐 Emphasis mine.

Leg strength would help, but it wouldn't help against something so much heavier than you than a Goron, no matter how strong your legs are, without an anchor, you will be moved, period. Link demonstrates leg strength by not buckling when a massive Goron rams into him. He stands strong and stops it, with his feet anchored.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because Link is utilizing his sumo training with the boots keeping his feet firmly planted in the ground.

I don't see why this matters. He was taught how to utilize his superstrength, and he did. He still performed the feat and saying he to learn it changes nothing.

If he was as strong as you say he wouldn't need the sumo training he'd just toss him the boots and say go get them killer, right?

No. It does not matter how strong you are if you are neither anchored nor have leverage. I don't care if you can bench press galaxies, if you don't weigh a lot or anchor yourself, you're getting tossed.

I am pretty sure though they said he won and you insisting this wasn't the case is another instance of you denying the game in favor to blow Link's feats out of proportion yet again.

There is difference between winning a wrestling match and stopping a charging Goron. Bo only had to push a Goron a few feet. Link picked them up and tossed them.

In any event he needs the boots and his training to do so so in the end it's not a strength feat at all.

Yes it is still a strength feat. He picked them up and tossed them, something the boots didn't help with.

If you're superstrong all you need is an anchor and your strength can take care of the rest. Link pulled it off because sumo wrestling was the key here.

And his strength did take care of it. You are aware the technique he used is the same one he used to stop goats? The one Bo didn't each him?

Because he needed the skills to achieve this. If it was all strength based he wouldn't have needed the training of how to be a great sumo fighter.

False. Strength is a big part. Why do you think sumo wrestlers are so damn huge? So they'll have weight and anchorage on their side.

Midna stopped him alone. She had to be in the proper position and told him she'd take care of it. Do I need to run downstairs and pop it in to hear her exact words and come back here and type them out for you to accept the obvious.

Not necessary.

YouTube video

If you just watch, you'll see Link pushing against Ganondorf and stopping him. Midna can't exert a force without bracing herself, so she braced against Link. All the force, weight, and power was on Link. Midna provided some lift, which she had to press down on Link to provide.

It is incredibly obvious, so I don't know how you can't see it.

-,- Leg strength becomes the anchor. You cans just say every writer that did that doesn't know anything about physics.

Kratos is a good example of this.

Originally posted by BloodRain
-,- Leg strength [b]becomes the anchor. You cans just say every writer that did that doesn't know anything about physics.

Kratos is a good example of this. [/B]

Kratos defies physics. Period. He should be tossed, no matter how strong he is. His writers clearly have a blatant disregard for what's possible though. That's not a surprise, it's Kratos. >_> Everythign he does is an exercising in one upping himself.

Originally posted by BloodRain
-,- Leg strength [b]becomes the anchor. You cans just say every writer that did that doesn't know anything about physics.

Kratos is a good example of this. [/B]

Lifting something =/= stopping something in motion.

Lifting is upward force, and your legs are pushing down on the ground. Stopping somthing is force to the side, and it's much more difficult to brace yourself on the ground. Your legs are still pushing down, but the force is now to the side.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Lifting something =/= stopping something in motion.

Lifting is upward force, and your legs are pushing down on the ground. Stopping somthing is force to the side, and it's much more difficult to brace yourself on the ground. Your legs are still pushing down, but the force is now to the side.

No if his base is.... haha true about the one upping part... *ahem* if his base is stronger then the force coming at you, the force will stop.

^Where did the 'side' come from? The come from the front so he can brace himself. ''it's much more difficult to brace yourself on the ground.'' yeah more difficult, being why he needs the higher leg strength to do so.

Originally posted by BloodRain
No if his base is.... haha true about the one upping part... *ahem* if his base is stronger then the force coming at you, the force will stop.

Not the weight that is the problem its the force, its like a small, very strong guy stopping a guy 2/3x his weight running at him but on a larger scale. The first guy can stop the big guy if his arms, legs, whole body is strong enough.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not the weight that is the problem its the force, its like a small, very strong guy stopping a guy 2/3x his weight running at him but on a larger scale. The first guy can stop the big guy if his arms, legs, whole body is strong enough.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RequiredSecondaryPowers

This addresses a couple of the physics problems with super strength, but not quite to the extent this thread requires.

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RequiredSecondaryPowers

This addresses a couple of the physics problems with super strength, but not quite to the extent this thread requires.

haermm

Kinda my point. (Except the average Goron is 300x. Links weight) Link at 60 tons could not do it but if Link was at the 600/1000 ton mark if he was naturally at GG level then he could.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I don't see why this matters. He was taught how to utilize his superstrength, and he did. He still performed the feat and saying he to learn it changes nothing.

No. It does not matter how strong you are if you are neither anchored nor have leverage. I don't care if you can bench press galaxies, if you don't weigh a lot or anchor yourself, you're getting tossed.

There is difference between winning a wrestling match and stopping a charging Goron. Bo only had to push a Goron a few feet. Link picked them up and tossed them.

Yes it is still a strength feat. He picked them up and tossed them, something the boots didn't help with.

And his strength did take care of it. You are aware the technique he used is the same one he used to stop goats? The one Bo didn't each him?

False. Strength is a big part. Why do you think sumo wrestlers are so damn huge? So they'll have weight and anchorage on their side.

Not necessary.

YouTube video

If you just watch, you'll see Link pushing against Ganondorf and stopping him. Midna can't exert a force without bracing herself, so she braced against Link. All the force, weight, and power was on Link. Midna provided some lift, which she had to press down on Link to provide.

It is incredibly obvious, so I don't know how you can't see it.

That's why I said he wouldn't need the training just the boots. he still gets the boots but if he was as strong as you say he wouldn't need the training.

I understand this but the mayor beating someone who weighs more with his boots alone means all you need is skill and the boots to shove them around.

The boots and the training were required so it's not a strength feat. he needed gear to pull it off which altered his weight and gave him added strength making it not a strength feat.

Yes, I do recall the goats and he's strong but nowhere near superstrength. Didn't the mayor also know how to stop the goats meaning that's all technique as well.

Sumos have sheer mass and in this game Link needed training and an anchor for the feat.

Yes, you can plainly see Link moving backwards until Midna overpowers him herself. This is actually plain to see. Thanks.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
...facepalm

No amount of leg strength can anchor someone to that level, because Link's 200 lb+ body does not create enough friction, period. 😐 The laws of physics are with me. Link's legs clearly are at super human levels, because he didn't buckle over backwards when the Goron hit. 😬

Originally posted by BloodRain
Kinda my point. (Except the average Goron is 300x. Links weight) Link at 60 tons could not do it but if Link was at the 600/1000 ton mark if he was naturally at GG level then he could.

At this point he is not though, he's still a "disgrace" at the point when he throws the giant Goron like a ragdoll.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't have superstrength and neither did the mayor. You just needed to master the skills of sumo while wearing iron boots to match up against them.

That's why I said he wouldn't need the training just the boots. he still gets the boots but if he was as strong as you say he wouldn't need the training.

I understand this but the mayor beating someone who weighs more with his boots alone means all you need is skill and the boots to shove them around.

The boots and the training were required so it's not a strength feat. he needed gear to pull it off which altered his weight and gave him added strength making it not a strength feat.

Yes, I do recall the goats and he's strong but nowhere near superstrength. Didn't the mayor also know how to stop the goats meaning that's all technique as well.

Sumos have sheer mass and in this game Link needed training and an anchor for the feat.

Yes, you can plainly see Link moving backwards until Midna overpowers him herself. This is actually plain to see. Thanks.

While we're here what's Kains strength at? Cant recall if it was 50 tons or 100.

Originally posted by BloodRain
While we're here what's Kains strength at? Cant recall if it was 50 tons or 100.