Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, if they both do a seperate feat, only one is strong? No.Link stopped Ganon. Midna flipped him after Link had stopped him. They're both strong. Midna also had the Triforce of Wisdom at that point.
Link never stopped Ganon. Midna did. Her hair has superstrength and Wolf Link is has none.
Midna with the Triforce of Wisdom? More BS?
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIn the circumstances without a doubt. Link used the iron boots to use the Goron's momentum against him. Without the training Link couldn't do it. Without the boots he couldn't do it so logically, Training + iron boots = thrown gorons rolling down a hill at you.
you are the one who must be kidding. You think you can throw a giant, not just wrestle, but THROW, without super strength? That, is laughable. 😐 You think you can plant your feet and stop a charging boar with the physical power of beast Ganon and not have super strength? Wrong.Mayor Bo is never stated to have actually won a sumo match, only the Goron's respect. He may have super strength, as fictional characters tend to do. Like the running man who can never be beaten in a race, even on horseback. Link beat Bo in the sumo wrestles, without his iron boots, and that is how he earned them. 🙂 Link is stronger than Bo, so how strong Bo is doesn't matter. He's better at sumo wrestlign than Bo, who taught him nothing. that was a test for the iron boots. He beat Bo.
Midna wasn't anchored to anything but Link, he had to do the stopping, period.
I can stop a roaring boar if I have some magical hairy chick on my back with gigantic arms that come out of her ears. I betcha I could. Don't hit a and allow Midna to do her thing and see if Link can stop him on his own. K.
I thought for sure he won a match hence he has there respect. Why would they respect him if they crushed him and won?
I don't care if he's stronger than some old mayor who taught Link the necessary skills to perform the feat that is necessary with the iron boots.
If what you say is true then Ganon can't run over Link since he's strong enough to hold him in place, right?
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagiano, it isn't normal at all, it'sSpoiler:.
The Megaton Hammer is clearly not a normal hammerSpoiler:
The floating castle is not TKIn other words, Link would be crushed without Iron Boots. More proof that he is nowhere on the strength of
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the golden gauntlets
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stated to be extremely heavy, and Link can lift and swing it. Do you have any idea how heavy it needs to be to force that pillar to move?
Yes, it is TK.
LolWUT? The iron boots have NOTHING to do with strength. Is that so hard to understand? Link wouldn't have been "crushed", only forced to move when he collided with a much heavier mass in motion. The same can be said for Kratos. 🙂 It's basic physics. TP Link stops a charging beast Ganon, your "Ganondorf =/= Ganon" argument is useless. 🙂
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaSpoiler:.
The Megaton Hammer is clearly not a normal hammer
Does not invalidate the feat.
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The floating castle is not TK
Same amount of weight being lifted regardless of what you call it.
In other words, Link would be crushed without Iron Boots. More proof that he is nowhere on the strength ofSpoiler:.
the golden gauntlets
Where did you get that idea? That's not what it implies at all. Does no one understand how physics works enough to know what the Iron Boots even do?
In the circumstances without a doubt. Link used the iron boots to use the Goron's momentum against him. Without the training Link couldn't do it. Without the boots he couldn't do it so logically, Training + iron boots = thrown gorons rolling down a hill at you.Watch the fight again. Link brings him to a full stop, then throws him like a ragdoll after he's stopped moving, it has nothign top do with the Goron' previous momentum.
I thought for sure he won a match hence he has there respect. Why would they respect him if they crushed him and won?you assume he did, but it never says he actually did. For a human to even do respectably against a goron (not thrown out in one push) is a feat the goron's would recognise, tbh. 😐 They know they're a lot stronger than people.
I don't care if he's stronger than some old mayor who taught Link the necessary skills to perform the feat that is necessary with the iron boots.He taught Link nothing, Link won both matches against Bo and got the iron boots. Bo only told him it was how to earn the goron's respect.
and guess what, no amoutn of skill can do what Link does, because you need to be strong enough to mvoe your opponent in sumo wrestling. Link is strong enough to do so.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In the circumstances without a doubt. Link used the iron boots to use the Goron's momentum against him. Without the training Link couldn't do it. Without the boots he couldn't do it so logically, Training + iron boots = thrown gorons rolling down a hill at you.
Did you play the game? That's not what Link did. He stopped them cold, then picked them up and threw them. He did not use their momentum against them.
I can stop a roaring boar if I have some magical hairy chick on my back with gigantic arms that come out of her ears. I betcha I could. Don't hit a and allow Midna to do her thing and see if Link can stop him on his own. K.
Superstrength is not a substitute for mass and leverage. You would end up getting tossed across the room.
I thought for sure he won a match hence he has there respect. Why would they respect him if they crushed him and won?
Who said they crushed him? It could have been a hard fought match that he still lost, but got respect for.
I don't care if he's stronger than some old mayor who taught Link the necessary skills to perform the feat that is necessary with the iron boots.
WHY DOES THE TEACHING MATTER?
If what you say is true then Ganon can't run over Link since he's strong enough to hold him in place, right?
Link had no way to hold him. If he did, and could anchor himself, yes.
Originally posted by BloodRainGodamnit.
Boots stop him getting crushed by the rolling, strength was his but obviously not enough to stop any rolling Goron unenhanced.
No amount of strength could let you do that without an anchor, period.
The laws of physics forbid it. You could be strong enough to throw Cronos, but ifsome thing heavier than you bumps into you, you will move.
also, Link would not have been crushed, he would have been pushed. Link is obviously durable enough to stop the Goron, because he did.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
no, it isn't normal at all, it'sSpoiler:
stated to be extremely heavy, and Link can lift and swing it. Do you have any idea how heavy it needs to be to force that pillar to move?
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http://www.hylianhelpdesk.com/ocarina/imgs/items/hammer.jpgIt never says that it's so heavy that a human can't lift it. If Link is so strong, he would be holding it with one hand.
LolWUT? The iron boots have NOTHING to do with strength. Is that so hard to understand? Link wouldn't have been "crushed", only forced to move when he collided with a much heavier mass in motion. The same can be said for Kratos. 🙂 It's [b]basic physics. TP Link stops a charging beast Ganon, your "Ganondorf =/= Ganon" argument is useless. 🙂 [/B]
Link needed Iron Boots to do what
Spoiler:. Midna's hair actually proves to have strength when it crushed Zant into mush. She had the strength feat while Wolf Link was the weight. You can't ignore the properties of the Iron Boots and then claim Midna's action is the opposite.
what OoT Link could've done with just the Silver Gauntlets
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
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http://www.hylianhelpdesk.com/ocarina/imgs/items/hammer.jpgIt never says that it's so heavy that a human can't lift it. If Link is so strong, he would be holding it with one hand.
Link needed Iron Boots to do what
Spoiler:. Midna's hair actually proves to have strength when it crushed Zant into mush. She had the strength feat while Wolf Link was the weight. You can't ignore the properties of the Iron Boots and then claim Midna's action is the opposite.
what OoT Link could've done with just the Silver Gauntlets
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The hammer is heavy enough to move that enourmous pillar, it is CLEARLY too heavy for any human to lift or swing. 😐No, OoT Link could not have done that with the silver gauntlets, because HE IS NOT HEAVY ENOUGH. Zelda games, awesomely enough, believe in the laws of physics. The Iron Boots do NOT enhance you in any way. They just make you really heavy.
I'm not ignoring anything. Midna has a strength feat, but it's not stopping Ganon, she flipped him after Link stopped him. She was not touching the ground. Learn physics.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
[B][/spoiler]Spoiler:
http://www.hylianhelpdesk.com/ocarina/imgs/items/hammer.jpgIt never says that it's so heavy that a human can't lift it. If Link is so strong, he would be holding it with one hand.
It's so heavy a Goron needed to use 2 hands. That's good enough.
Link needed Iron Boots to do whatSpoiler:. Midna's hair actually proves to have strength when it crushed Zant into mush. She had the strength feat while Wolf Link was the weight. You can't ignore the properties of the Iron Boots and then claim Midna's action is the opposite.
what OoT Link could've done with just the Silver Gauntlets
1. No, OoT still would have needed the boots.
2. Midna did not crush Zant, she stabbed him and he exploded.
3. It's the same property, not different.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteBecause Link is utilizing his sumo training with the boots keeping his feet firmly planted in the ground.
Watch the fight again. Link brings him to a full stop, then throws him like a ragdoll after he's stopped moving, it has nothign top do with the Goron' previous momentum.you assume he did, but it never says he actually did. For a human to even do respectably against a goron (not thrown out in one push) is a feat the goron's would recognise, tbh. 😐 They know they're a lot stronger than people.
He taught Link nothing, Link won both matches against Bo and got the iron boots. Bo only told him it was how to earn the goron's respect.
and guess what, no amoutn of skill can do what Link does, because you need to be strong enough to mvoe your opponent in sumo wrestling. Link is strong enough to do so.
If he was as strong as you say he wouldn't need the sumo training he'd just toss him the boots and say go get them killer, right?
I am pretty sure though they said he won and you insisting this wasn't the case is another instance of you denying the game in favor to blow Link's feats out of proportion yet again.
Originally posted by The ScenarioIn any event he needs the boots and his training to do so so in the end it's not a strength feat at all.
Did you play the game? That's not what Link did. He stopped them cold, then picked them up and threw them. He did not use their momentum against them.Superstrength is not a substitute for mass and leverage. You would end up getting tossed across the room.
Who said they crushed him? It could have been a hard fought match that he still lost, but got respect for.
[b]WHY DOES THE TEACHING MATTER?
Link had no way to hold him. If he did, and could anchor himself, yes. [/B]
If you're superstrong all you need is an anchor and your strength can take care of the rest. Link pulled it off because sumo wrestling was the key here.
Because he needed the skills to achieve this. If it was all strength based he wouldn't have needed the training of how to be a great sumo fighter.
Midna stopped him alone. She had to be in the proper position and told him she'd take care of it. Do I need to run downstairs and pop it in to hear her exact words and come back here and type them out for you to accept the obvious.
No amount of strength could let you do that without an anchor, period.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
It's being argued that Link isn't superhuman in strength without the gauntlets? Jesus. 😐
Originally posted by ScreamPaste[/B]Spoiler:. Zelda games, awesomely enough, believe in the laws of physics. The Iron Boots do NOT enhance you in any way. They just make you really heavy.
The hammer is heavy enough to move that enourmous pillar, it is CLEARLY too heavy for any human to lift or swing. 😐No, OoT Link could not have done that with the silver gauntlets, because [b]HE IS NOT HEAVY ENOUGH
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You have no proof that a human couldn't lift it. It can move an enormous pillar because it's not a normal hammer.
I'm not ignoring anything. Midna has a strength feat, but it's not stopping Ganon, she flipped him after Link stopped him. She was not touching the ground. Learn physics.
In other words, Link has no superstrength since the power came from the Iron Boots.
Originally posted by The Scenario
It's so heavy a Goron needed to use 2 hands. That's good enough.
No Goron was seen wielding it in gameplay and seeing the size of the thing, it would've been a one-handed weapon.
1. No, OoT still would have needed the boots.
2. Midna did not crush Zant, she stabbed him and he exploded.
3. It's the same property, not different.
1. No he wouldn't. There are superstrength characters, not even in the upper strength levels, that did what TP Link has done and without weighing their selves down.
2. And without weights
3. Which means Link has no superstrength or Wolf Link only acted as the Iron Boots.
Originally posted by BloodRain...facepalm
Yeah and that anchor usually comes from leg strength (even in most super strength cases), unless TPLink can be at pillar lifting strength but human strength legs? No, if TPLink is natural that strong then the rest of his body would be as strong allowing his legs to be strong enough to be the anchor.
No amount of leg strength can anchor someone to that level, because Link's 200 lb+ body does not create enough friction, period. 😐 The laws of physics are with me. Link's legs clearly are at super human levels, because he didn't buckle over backwards when the Goron hit. 😬
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
...facepalmNo amount of leg strength can anchor someone to that level, because Link's 200 lb+ body does not create enough friction, period. 😐 The laws of physics are with me. Link's legs clearly are at super human levels, because he didn't buckle over backwards when the Goron hit. 😬
If that's true, he wouldn't need Iron Boots.
