Originally posted by Burning thoughtJust the janos possessed one from defiance no device in blood omen 2.
Universe vs universe, do the Hylden get a go? the Hylden race cursed the ancients to becoming vampires en-mass. The device could supposedly kill every living thing on the world with a thought although I am not sure of its specifics, it was a claim.
Possession is also important. As soon as the imprisonment that kept the dimensionso f the Hylden and Nosgoth apart broke. Hylden lord possessed Janos straight off the bat without having to do anything at all...instant possession...
That knocks out one of the key players, preferably Link as he can beat Ganon, the only major threat to LoK.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtHe cannot possess any zelda character only janos and if they defeat janos he's out.
Possession is also important. As soon as the imprisonment that kept the dimensionso f the Hylden and Nosgoth apart broke. Hylden lord possessed Janos straight off the bat without having to do anything at all...instant possession...That knocks out one of the key players, preferably Link as he can beat Ganon, the only major threat to LoK.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He cannot possess any zelda character only janos and if they defeat janos he's out.
Damn fair enough. Would be a cheap win though....
Ok so Elder God solos...
They cant see him, sense him but he can topple the world their on through sheer size, eat their souls and rebirth them as peasents through the wheel of fate.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Damn fair enough. Would be a cheap win though....Ok so Elder God solos...
They cant see him, sense him but he can topple the world their on through sheer size, eat their souls and rebirth them as peasents through the wheel of fate.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeGood and fair point as his senses allow him to see things human form Link cannot. Burning, you are trying to desperately to give the advantage to Lok. None of this plot device madness where Light arrows are required or the master sword is to defeat ganondorf so to be fair all sides can see each other. There's no plot device where they need to combine soulreavers to see the elder god here.
Fun fact, Link has an ability to sense evil's presence. And Wolf form can see spirits, as well as harm them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Good and fair point as his senses allow him to see things human form Link cannot. Burning, you are trying to desperately to give the advantage to Lok. None of this plot device madness where Light arrows are required or the master sword is to defeat ganondorf so to be fair all sides can see each other. There's no plot device where they need to combine soulreavers to see the elder god here.
Taking a canon factor for the Elder God is not "desperatly trying to give an advantage", as its canon it is an advantage. As is being a continent sized octopus that can fire energy bolts from its eyes and regenerate AND multiply its thousands of limbs.
those are plot devices and no limit fallacies, what I am mensioning is Elder Gods form. The only beings who can see the Elder God are those who he allows to see him OR those purified like Kain. Being a soul reaver Raziel could percieve the EG but even Moebius as a spirit could not see the Elder God when he was standing right in front of him.
The Elder God is beyond LoZ even when visible and attackable, they slice off a couple of tentacles only to have multiples of that number reform. I doubt LoZ has an entity of Elder Gods multi/dimentional form so Link being a wolf and sniffing out some ghosts is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI am not trying to cheat the lok side I am merely stating they can see and attack him. For these threads to be fair you have to take out the plot devices required in the game while you just tried keeping one.
Taking a canon factor for the Elder God is not "desperatly trying to give an advantage", as its canon it [b]is an advantage. As is being a continent sized octopus that can fire energy bolts from its eyes and regenerate AND multiply its thousands of limbs.those are plot devices and no limit fallacies, what I am mensioning is Elder Gods form. The only beings who can see the Elder God are those who he allows to see him OR those purified like Kain. Being a soul reaver Raziel could percieve the EG but even Moebius as a spirit could not see the Elder God when he was standing right in front of him.
The Elder God is beyond LoZ even when visible and attackable, they slice off a couple of tentacles only to have multiples of that number reform. I doubt LoZ has an entity of Elder Gods multi/dimentional form so Link being a wolf and sniffing out some ghosts is irrelevant. [/B]
He retains his size and powers which is fair and they can see him which is fair.
No, you aren't being fair and are trying to tilt the thread into a onesided stomp where they can't even see or fight their opponent. You don't need light arrows and don't need the combined soulreaver here to see and defeat him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not trying to cheat the lok side I am merely stating they can see and attack him. For these threads to be fair you have to take out the plot devices required in the game while you just tried keeping one.He retains his size and powers which is fair and they can see him which is fair.
No, you aren't being fair and are trying to tilt the thread into a onesided stomp where they can't even see or fight their opponent. You don't need light arrows and don't need the combined soulreaver here to see and defeat him.
the Elder Gods status is not a plot device. its what the Elder God is. Kain acquiring the power to see the Elder God however is a plot event.
But fair enough, they can see him. They can see whos leveling the continent and smothering them.
How do you propose they stand against the Elder God, he who puts Titans to shame in size, who multiplies and regenerates mass quicker than most regen in games and who has the strength to burrow and hold up the Earths mantle?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
So then the elder leech let Kain kick his non-existent ass?
No, the Soul reaver itself is the plot device for damaging EG. but at the same time its not a no limit fallacy, it just so happens that spiritual and physical attacks dont harm the Elder God in canon.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtYou still need a plot device to see and defeat him which isn't allowed in these forums hence why light arrows aren't allowed in these things either. It's the same thing but since you like lok yours counts while the zelda side doesn't.
the Elder Gods status is not a plot device. its what the Elder God is. Kain acquiring the power to see the Elder God however is a plot event.But fair enough, they can see him. They can see whos leveling the continent and smothering them.
How do you propose they stand against the Elder God, he who puts Titans to shame in size, who multiplies and regenerates mass quicker than most regen in games and who has the strength to burrow and hold up the Earths mantle?
No, the Soul reaver itself is the plot device for damaging EG. but at the same time its not a no limit fallacy, it just so happens that spiritual and physical attacks dont harm the Elder God in canon.
Ganondorf can take him on. The guy's battle easily leveled a castle to the ground and he was in peak condition after being harassed by Link and attacked by a very powerful Midna.