Originally posted by quanchi112
You still need a plot device to see and defeat him which isn't allowed in these forums hence why light arrows aren't allowed in these things either. It's the same thing but since you like lok yours counts while the zelda side doesn't.Ganondorf can take him on. The guy's battle easily leveled a castle to the ground and he was in peak condition after being harassed by Link and attacked by a very powerful Midna.
No, Kain needed a plot event. Raziel could see Elder God just fine. It just so happens that due to his physical form. No, claiming light arrows are required in this fight is a no limit fallacy, a failure of logic based on the limitations of the Zelda universe.
Ok what battle? if your refering to the midna fight I want to see how you argue this. Its been argued to death on how ambigious the scene is. Are you saying Ganon leveled the castle, Midna leveled it? if so, how insignificant would this be compared to the Elder God who can multiply and regenerate limbs across his continent sized form? if Elder Gods limbs all swing at once, they would throttle the whole LoZ side, including Ganon.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
I didn't see "no Triforce" in the OP. 🙂
Trust me, theres far more than knights and some old sages in Lok 😉
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lol, yeah, Elder Leech can be harmed by things other than the Soul Reaver. For one, because the OP says so. And for two, because that is actually a no limit fallacy. It just so happens that you need the MS to defeat Ganon in canon as well.
Link does, unlike the EG Ganon is not a multi reality being who is intangible to both spirit and physical realms.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtSo did Link. 🙂
No, Kain needed a plot event. Raziel could see Elder God just fine. It just so happens that due to his physical form. No, claiming light arrows are required in this fight is a no limit fallacy, a failure of logic based on the limitations of the Zelda universe.Ok what battle? if your refering to the midna fight I want to see how you argue this. Its been argued to death on how ambigious the scene is. Are you saying Ganon leveled the castle, Midna leveled it? if so, how insignificant would this be compared to the Elder God who can multiply and regenerate limbs across his continent sized form? if Elder Gods limbs all swing at once, they would throttle the whole LoZ side, including Ganon.
Trust me, theres far more than knights and some old sages in Lok 😉
Link does, unlike the EG Ganon is not a multi reality being who is intangible to both spirit and physical realms.
Without Zelda using the light spirits to aid Link against Ganondorf he was screwed. That's a plot event as well. I am the threadstarter and they see him which you agreed on so if you don't like it that doesn't mean it will change.
Their battle destroyed the castle and he was unscathed. That's actually what happened so the guy's a major player and the he's chosen by the gods to represent basically, power.
Again, you try a powerset argument to which he could do no such thing against Kain in combat. Quit just making up stuff now to give them the advantage.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So did Link. 🙂Without Zelda using the light spirits to aid Link against Ganondorf he was screwed. That's a plot event as well. I am the threadstarter and they see him which you agreed on so if you don't like it that doesn't mean it will change.
Their battle destroyed the castle and he was unscathed. That's actually what happened so the guy's a major player and the he's chosen by the gods to represent basically, power.
Again, you try a powerset argument to which he could do no such thing against Kain in combat. Quit just making up stuff now to give them the advantage.
So did Link what?
Who said i dont like it? I am argueing truth, I dont really care. Its your rules, your thread etc and it was a plot event but Ganons not shown any special traits like EG has.
Although Midna also survived the battle as well didnt she? We dont see what actually happened, just that power from one of them broke the castle.
This is not a powerset, just physical statistics. Its the same as saying a Titan steps on someone, its just something it can do.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtLink needed a plot event just like Kain did to defeat his opponent.
So did Link what?Who said i dont like it? I am argueing truth, I dont really care. Its your rules, your thread etc and it was a plot event but Ganons not shown any special traits like EG has.
Although Midna also survived the battle as well didnt she? We dont see what actually happened, just that power from one of them broke the castle.
This is not a powerset, just physical statistics. Its the same as saying a Titan steps on someone, its just something it can do.
Yes, he is. I could care less why you think exceptions only get made for the side you support and the funny thing is I love lok. Absolutely love it but you want any way you can get to say their side wins. You actually think it's fair for them to fight an opponent they can't see or touch.
Yes, but she was down and out. Ganondorf prevailed and took her little hat.
Elder god did no such thing against Kain so it's you making up a tactic we have never seen.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link needed a plot event just like Kain did to defeat his opponent.Yes, he is. I could care less why you think exceptions only get made for the side you support and the funny thing is I love lok. Absolutely love it but you want any way you can get to say their side wins. You actually think it's fair for them to fight an opponent they can't see or touch.
Yes, but she was down and out. Ganondorf prevailed and took her little hat.
Elder god did no such thing against Kain so it's you making up a tactic we have never seen.
We dont know Link "needed" as Ganons not been tested against other powers, certainly not from other universes.
I am all for having the sides at full potential, if you want to make exceptions so that the LoZ side can fight fairly then thats fine. I dont think its fair that the Elder God is in this fight at all.
So his power was not enough to harm a little imp, she was defeated and lost the fused shadows but thats it...not a scratch on her.
Thats because he would shatter Nosgoth and kill himself in the process....he has no problem with that in this matchup.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtThe same goes for the elder god. Who knows if Link could see elder god just because characters from his own world couldn't. I can throw every piece of logic right back at you.
We dont know Link "needed" as Ganons not been tested against other powers, certainly not from other universes.I am all for having the sides at full potential, if you want to make exceptions so that the LoZ side can fight fairly then thats fine. I dont think its fair that the Elder God is in this fight at all.
So his power was not enough to harm a little imp, she was defeated and lost the fused shadows but thats it...not a scratch on her.
Thats because he would shatter Nosgoth and kill himself in the process....he has no problem with that in this matchup.
There are no exceptions I am doing this equally for both sides.
Do you actually think it's fair to have two armies go at it while ignoring Link's plot items completely while allowing the elder god to be unattackable?
He defeated her. Case closed. She was out of the fight and Ganondorf rode off like a studmuffin.
He wouldn't shatter himself if he sent various tentacles after Kain at the same time. He would need no more than like 20 to completely overwhelm him.
I'm still trying to think of of this in an army based way, without the big characters. As I see it, Zelda has the advantage in numbers. It also has the Twilight Realm, which no one in LoK can reach, and can cover LoK in Twilight. Twilight Beasts are much harder to kill and keep dead than vampires are (Kain's dimensional teleport is literally the only thing that would work reliably).
In addition, I don't see LoK even touching the Zoras, as too few vampires can stand running water. So Lake Hylia will be a fairly large advantage here. We know Gorons don't need to breathe and can survive underwater, that's more points for the lake. Add in those special waterproof bombs and exploding fish, and hey, pretty good safe area.
Speaking of Gorons, those guys are tough. Best feat they have is one of them getting launched out of a volcano inside a chunk of semi-solid magma, then getting dropped through several layers of ice, and then coming out unharmed. He even tries to sell you things afterward. Further, Death Mountain is constantly erupting, dropping flaming rocks on everything that moves.
Originally posted by The ScenarioI think every realm can be accessed through distances as it's only fair. I also see them sending in Raziel to Lake Hylia along with a bunch of vampire hunters and Moebius.
I'm still trying to think of of this in an army based way, without the big characters. As I see it, Zelda has the advantage in numbers. It also has the Twilight Realm, which no one in LoK can reach, and can cover LoK in Twilight. Twilight Beasts are much harder to kill and keep dead than vampires are (Kain's dimensional teleport is literally the only thing that would work reliably).In addition, I don't see LoK even touching the Zoras, as too few vampires can stand running water. So Lake Hylia will be a fairly large advantage here. We know Gorons don't need to breathe and can survive underwater, that's more points for the lake. Add in those special waterproof bombs and exploding fish, and hey, pretty good safe area.
Speaking of Gorons, those guys are tough. Best feat they have is one of them getting launched out of a volcano inside a chunk of semi-solid magma, then getting dropped through several layers of ice, and then coming out unharmed. He even tries to sell you things afterward. Further, Death Mountain is constantly erupting, dropping flaming rocks on everything that moves.
Originally posted by LLLLLinkI know you're joking but this tactic wouldn't be allowed anyways as both sides can't cheaply win but instead have to man up and destroy each other.
Oh, where do you think Zant got the power to spread Twilight in the world of light? That's right, kids! It's Zant's god, Ganondorf!
Originally posted by LLLLLinkYes, it's like a plot device thing like Ganondorf possessing someone or the Hashagik possessing someone from zelda. I want both sides to duke it put physically.
Not joking at all, but if it's against the rules, oh well.
I see Kain taking half the forces while Raziel takes the other half whereas Link splits his forces with Ganondorf doing the same here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I also see them sending in Raziel to Lake Hylia along with a bunch of vampire hunters and Moebius.
I figured that. Raziel and the Rahabim were the only vampires to actually survive in water. However, Rahabim are still vulnerable to sunlight.
I'm not so sure about Moebius and his hunters, though. How good are they?